In Britain these days . . . .

[Roger]

Alfie - the 49 year old 'offender' apparently suffers cerebral palsy and is partially blind. Perhaps you can understand her being unhappy seeing a bike coming down the pavement towards her. . . . . watching the video it seems she just waved an arm and the 77 year old rider fell off her bike.

For me it looks like a pure accident - the handwaver was surely within her rights.

I thought sending her to jail for such a long period was OTT

[Coolkorat]

Hector, CK, all.

Has my Country gone crazy ?

It seems so !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11811249/Woman-49-swore-cyclist-77-fatally-struck-car-arrives-sentencing.html

If you watch the video it appears the woman pushed the elderly cyclist into the road. I'm not sure what's crazy: deliberately forcing someone off a shared use pavement into traffic, or sending the person who caused the death of another to jail?

[Coolkorat]

For me it looks like a pure accident - the handwaver was surely within her rights.

No - it was a shared use pavement. The cyclist was perfectly legally on the pavement and had every right to be cycling there. Other woman 100% in the wrong.

[Roger]

I've already commented but the post absented - CK what's a shared use pavement? I mean is that a legal status of a pavement - I've never heard of it 

[Roger]

HI CK - also on the post that absented I commented that the cyclist should have slowed down when approaching - with obvious hazards around ! I watched the video again and the woman gesticulates - I didn't see it as a push. Whatever - RIP the cyclist . . .

[Roger]

CK I think the Judge mentioned 'shared use' ?

Does that have any basis in Law ?

I intend to appeal on those grounds 

[Roger]

'The cyclist was perfectly legally on the pavement and had every right to be cycling there.'

I'm really not sure about that . . . . and 2.4 metres wide is massive - I wonder why the 77 year old, passed by on the roadside rather than the 'inside'. The road traffic looks lively to me !

As a 75 year old cyclist myself, my very occasional ventures onto the pavement in the UK are made at slow speed, hands on brake levers, fully aware of often vulnerable pedestrians. On one occasion when reprimanded I quietly apologised.

It's very sad for all that this happened.

[Roger]

Good morning CK - the IoM hits the headlines     THIS is sheer madness - what frightens me most is the blatant idiocy of the 'Management' and 'Teachers' under which this happens . . .

Alfie's day - "That Thursday, he had been ‘chucked out’ of class by his teacher for being rude to a guest speaker at his comprehensive on the Isle of Man. His crime? Alfie had dared to challenge the view of the visitor, a local drag queen, who told his class in a sex education lesson overseen by a male teacher that human beings have 73 genders. ‘I said there were only two genders,’ Alfie said. ‘The teacher said I had upset the guest and I was told to leave the classroom, then threatened with isolation.’ "

"The lessons are said to include videos on topics such as successful masturbation, how a girl should roll a condom onto a male partner, intimate details of oral and anal sex, as well as discussion on transgender issues with graphic details of sex change operations showing the creation of false male genitalia."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11818581/Parents-fear-11-year-olds-scarred-life-graphic-sex-education-lessons.html

[Teessider]

Roger, I think things would improve if you stopped reading the Daily Mail.

[jivvy]

a local drag queen, who told his class in a sex education lesson overseen by a male teacher that human beings have 73 genders.

Oooh dear, for the last 82 years I have thought there are only 2 genders,  male & female & that I am a male, got me all confused now !!!!!
What am I   (answers on a postcard please}

[Roger]

Thanks Tees - you're right of course but I do read the DT and the Grauniad too 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

Jivvy -  82    I always thought you were a mere Lad 

But you are right - it's appalling - hard enough for Kids to grow up these days without all this bl**dy nonsense. If I had youngsters now, I'd be seriously concerned.

[Coolkorat]

CK I think the Judge mentioned 'shared use' ?

Does that have any basis in Law ?

I intend to appeal on those grounds 

Yes: shared use is designated by the council to allow both pedestrians and cyclists to use the same path. There will be signs saying that. See https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/document/shared-use-routes-pedestrians-and-cyclists-ltn-112

[Coolkorat]

Good morning CK - the IoM hits the headlines    

Second time this week Roger! Not sure which story is more embarrassing...

worst international cricket performance ever

[Roger]

CK thanks for the replies . . . .

Re. the cycling. OK - news to me - as are many things    -  but the cyclist has to be aware that he/she/or any other of 72 genders, is moving 10 times or more the speed of the disabled unwell Lady. So effing slow down and be ready to brake. I see there is a massive protest movement about the case but, R.I P.

And next time pass slowly but not on the road side ?

A Pal here , Oz, ex Olympic cyclist/mechanic, at 76 doing av. 100 km a day, fell of his stationary bike and broke his hip, then again. Bikes are great but it is easy to fall off so if allowed on the pavement, take care and respect others. For yourself if not for others 

2. Sh*t I saw that cricket story but didn't read it as I'm still recovering from Constantine Seconds v Ludgvan - a long time ago. After 18 overs we were 12 -0 - George Dengler, 60, was bowled and we were all out for 16. And lost in 2 overs.

The message - be careful on the bike when you ride on the pavement AND get down the wicket and, if you can't do a Harry Brooks do this - I once batted for Wroughton, at Box, for 24 overs for 21 n.o. We had 7 men. The game was drawn. I'd bowled 24 at one end. Such fun. Basically I was useless but still, 'Young Batsman of the Year' LOL

BTW - I couldn't see you in that pic of the I o M team - have you grown a beard ?

It's good that we can disagree so much. ATB

[Alfie]

Re. the cycling. OK - news to me - as are many things    -  but the cyclist has to be aware that he/she/or any other of 72 genders, is moving 10 times or more the speed of the disabled unwell Lady. So effing slow down and be ready to brake.

You have just made that up, Roger. There is no indication she was travelling that fast. If you watch the video, you can see the final part before she cyclist falls. From that, I'd say the cyclist was moving quite slowly.

A Pal here , Oz, ex Olympic cyclist/mechanic, at 76 doing av. 100 km a day, fell of his stationary bike and broke his hip, then again. Bikes are great but it is easy to fall off

My elderly mother used to be a regular (but slow) casual cyclist but she fell off once and broke her wrist. Since then she has walked everywhere, but she has fallen over several times when walking and broken other bones. Her balance is not as good and her bones are more brittle than before. I think that is common with elderly people.

[Roger]

Alfie. Nice to hear from you but with the greatest of respect - 'You have just made that up' - is at the least ignoble. I'm afraid that what I posted is my honest opinion and that's all there is to it..

Myself as a 100km a week cyclist even now, I would have been stopped or been at the point of stopping - given the fast traffic on my right and the protests from the disabled person walking legally on the pavement . . . . . (or I would not have been on the pavement at all).

Which version of the video did you see ? It came over a little differently to me in two.

And this - 'the Judge mentioned 'shared use'. I am just checking, but it is news to me that this status exists in Law in the UK - but I could of course be wrong.

ATB

[Roger]

Alfie I was sorry to read about your Mum. Isn't it osteoporosis or brittle bone disease? I read dauntingly, that it's usually only diagnosed when one breaks a bone! It can be inherited and lifelong but my recollection is that elderly Ladies were the most prone . . .

My Sister now 78 and enjoying a lifetime of buoyant health, tripped in the bedroom and broke her wrist a few years ago - it was very painful but she fully recovered and had no diagnosis of brittle bone.

I'd be be surprised if my Friend Bob 'wheel wizard' had 'O' - I don't think it's been diagnosed. I'd guess that if he'd been moving fast rather than stationary at the time of his fall - he would have been fine  Actually his daily distance was in recent years more like 150 km (traversing the town on most rides) and he has fallen from his bike regularly over the years while racing and so on. Each time I return from the UK he commissions packs of long strips of 'Elastoplast' unobtainable in Th. He's up and running now and gagging to get on his road bikes again.

You are right that 'falls' in elderly people are common but evenso, it's a hazard worth bearing, compared to the alternative 

[Teessider]

Coincidentally I had an assessment for Osteoporosis yesterday after breaking my ankle last year. I was assessed as low risk due to having a healthy diet, not smoking and not being female.

[Roger]

Ouch I bet that hurt Teess   

Bob dislocated his 'new hip' when slipping on some wet tiles some weeks later. Amazing stuff - they put him on the floor and sat on him to manipulate the reconnecting of the hip, being able somehow to watch the progress on cameras. He said he had never felt pain like it. He has had a lifetime of breaking bones but I doubt he has the 'BB' problem.

For any here getting elderly as I am now myself, (it hurts to write that), taking care to avoid falls is very important.