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Hunt backs Sunak and probably stays as Chancellor and hopefully the markets and the economy will be stabilised.

And stability is of course, the first brick in the base for growth.

My remaining reservation is that although Sunak said the right things during Leadership round 1, I thought he was profligate as Chancellor during the pandemic. But he's learned it seems.

Cabinet changes will be interesting - let's hope Sunak brings back some wiser and experienced heads. I'd be happy to see Grant Schapps (Home) and James Cleverly (Foreign) replaced immediately and Moggy consigned to history at last.

I wonder if Boris might be even now be offered Foreign ? Give Liz a special brief to sort out the N.I . protocol ? A role for Michael Gove ? It'll be interesting . . . .

It's gonna be an torrid year or two. Let's hope our Govt. do as well as is possible.
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Johnson was terrible as Foreign Secretary and is damaged goods.  Remember this?:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLIm0HOvuQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLIm0HOvuQ</a>

I think he will resign as an MP very soon: knows he can earn £££££ elsewhere and is yesterday's news. He's not coming back. And Liz Truss has proved she has no political acumen despite what she thinks - leave her on the backbenches. They do need Gove back, even though he seems to have a drug problem: making him Home Secretary in charge of policing would be a nice touch of irony.

For Foreign Secretary he could look to the House of Lords: Lord Hammond has previous and would be able to step into the role. Having an experienced, known person as FS might go some way to restoring relations with our international friends.


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Wow. Thanks for that video, CK. BJ obviously loves his literature but thank goodness the ambassador knew his stuff too. Well done, Ambassador Patrick.

Apparently, the former ambassador to Myanmar, Andrew Patrick, lived in Thailand for a year after leaving Myanmar. Working remotely from Bangkok, he worked as an adviser to the Department for Culture Media and Sport on Combatting Online Disinformation and Manipulation.

I believe he is now the UK’s Migration and Modern Slavery Envoy. https://twitter.com/andrewptkfcdo?lang=en


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CK yes I remember that BJ gaffe, evenso, I wouldn't totally write him off for the future  ;)  And IMO he did OK with foreign affairs as PM. BUT I wouldn't put him in charge of the next pandemic, if there is one  :-X

Good luck to Rishi and I hope this 'Suella' stuff goes away soon. let's move on, there's much to do.

My hobby horse BUT there is much to recommend it - take the Media right out of Downing St. The PM and Chancellor and families need a little space and privacy. There are serious security risks to consider and that applies also to the Media camping outside Ministers and MP's homes   >:(  The shouting of questions is routine and in effect, bullying - the Media need reigning in in this respect.

You mention Gove - well he's back and that's great - loopy Liz, still smarting after various comments from Rishi, won't like this Guardian article AT ALL . . . https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/29/michael-gove-says-tories-should-apologise-for-liz-trusss-holiday-from-reality
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I just had a look at the UK tax rates.

For the last several years of my career, I paid tax at 40% as the then threshold was earnings of 40k. I feel cheated as the threshold is now at 50k! Okay, that would have affected me as well. But not for so long.

But terming the top rate of tax of 45% on earnings +150k as a 'rich persons tax' is just playing political games. Because it's just not true. I see the article quoted is originally from The Sun. Sounds like a start of a campaign for the Tories to 'out Labour' Labour to me. Which was very successful in the past. Blair worked out that the only way Labour could get elected was to woo the middle classes, you know, those who could afford to pay higher taxes.  Seems like the Tories will be doing the same for the upwardly mobile of potential Labour voters.


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Caller a Friend last night commented - 'of course, there's almost no difference now between Tory and Labour policy'.

I agree, 'almost no', but some . . . .  ;)

Let's see how it goes - difficult times for sure  :P
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OMG   :o   ::)  following ultra ignomious exits from :-

BIG BAD BORIS

LOONY LIZ

we now have

DAFT AND DOPEY HANCOCK

How potty is he ? Enjoy the Jungle  Matt  ::)

The only good thing - this Cock has surely crowed it's last. Surely he's out of Politics for good.
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Hancock should have his pay docked while he's away, and he should be deselected for the next election.


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As for Rishi Sunak, he has gone down in my estimation for reappointing Suella Braverman as Home Secretary so quickly after her "error of judgment" forced her out. Less than a week then she gets the same job!


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As for Rishi Sunak, he has gone down in my estimation for reappointing Suella Braverman as Home Secretary so quickly after her "error of judgment" forced her out. Less than a week then she gets the same job!

I listen to The Rest is Politics podcast with Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell. They discuss this very topic and the reasons for it; the small ERG faction in parliament that effectively holds the Conservative party to ransom and is the reason for Sunak reappointing Braverman. They also speculate that she will be short-lived; her back catalogue will catch up with her. Given how she stuck the knife into Truss, even though it has since emerged that the story spun at the time of a 'lapse of judgement' by someone tired, and which was 'immediately reported' turns out to have been a pack of lies, she will not go easily or quietly. She could well be the catalyst that causes the next General Election.


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Hi CK - each to his own but both Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart are anathema to me.

Campbell - "Since his work for Blair, Campbell has continued to act as a freelance advisor to a number of governments and political parties, including the Prime Minister of Albania" and previously, Blair's right hand man  >:(  Iraq   >:(

Stewart - Unsuccessful bids for Tory Leader and Mayor of London. For me an embittered poser and know all   ::)

Quote 'the small ERG faction in parliament that effectively holds the Conservative party to ransom' - really   ???  Sounds extremely unlikely - after all, Penny M withdrew and Sunak was unopposed was he not ? It's too much immersion in the Westminster bubble for me.

I note this podcast is the one most listened to, in which case, God help us !!

Sorry and ATB.
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Alfie I agree about Hancock - I'd be surprised if his Constituents don't force him out.

Braverman - the question is, can she do the job   ???   ::)  I must say, I doubt it.
So Rishi DUMP her and put in Michael Gove - man of action . . . .   ;)
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I'd just really like the new Government to be given a chance. People are stirring up shit, not for the good of the Country, but for their own end. I think people are sick of it.


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Caller - despite my comment about Gove - I agree 100%

The trouble is both sides are constantly carping and the media, once they perceive a target, are like the dog with a bone. BBC and Sky are relentless and in the end - the target usually falls.

Peg 'em back and chuck them out of Downing St for a start.

Yes people are sick of it . . . .  ATB
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Poor ole' Liz is taking regular bashings for the GBP 50 billion black hole. Is that actually fair ? Surely, the damage caused by the mini-budget was largely reversed after it was cancelled ?

Our PM as Chancellor ran the economy for the last few years. The B o E was very slow to make increases in interest rates. Govt and B o E have been in tandem in getting the UK into this situation, the pandemic and Ukraine not forgotten.

Nov 18th will be interesting. Meantime immigration is a major problem - there are very alarming undercurrents atm. Hopefully, Suella is up to the job but no evidence of that yet! And Williamson - it doesn't look good for him - he's behaved very badly, again.

'Oh it's Truss's fault' is a bit too convenient. Not that she helped, but . . . .
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SIR ? Gavin Williamson has resigned - good - that tidies him up quickly  :)  I can hardly imagine his arrogance.

I wonder if Suella B is getting things done at Manston now ? From 4000 down to 1,600 ? I do wonder where they have gone - maybe they put them in boats and towed them back   ;)

'File on 4' https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dx77 'The Albanian exodus'. Monthly pay there is GBP 250-400. It's the simple ambition of most ordinary youngsters to get out to, 'little America'.
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I see reported that Dishi has made 3 u-turns already and hearing talk of a law being brought in to limit the right of some public service sectors to strike, I predict a 4th coming along soon   ;)

Here's something to get your teeth into Rishi :-

"Britain’s worklessness crisis is being fuelled by a benefits system anomaly that encourages people to work just two days a week, it can be disclosed.

The Telegraph understands there is deep concern inside the Treasury that the current system allows claimants to unlock thousands of pounds in extra benefits if they earn as little as £658 a month. An anomaly in the welfare programme means someone on Universal Credit could receive a total income of nearly £45,000 a year for doing the equivalent of two days’ work in a low-paid job. To take home the same amount after tax, someone not on benefits would have to earn nearly £62,000 a year" . . . .

. . . . "To see how much of a disincentive from working there is, The Telegraph analysed how much some benefits claimants stood to make if they increased their work hours from two to three days a week on the National Living Wage.

This showed that a single-mother-of-two, paying £2,000 a month in rent in London, would receive £36,663 a year in tax-free Universal Credit if she worked 16 hours a week at £9.50 an hour – bringing her gross income to £44,567.60. But if she decided to work three days a week instead of two, because she would lose some of her Universal Credit entitlement, her gross income would only edge up by £2,172 a year to £46,348 - equivalent to £34 extra a week. Add in childcare and transport costs, and the money she earned from that third day of work would be wiped out.

The disincentive to work is almost as strong for couples with children. If each parent works for one day a week, they could expect to take home a joint income of £46,856, of which almost £39,000 would be paid from the public purse. But if those parents worked three days a week between them, their gross income would also only increase by £34 a week" . . . .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/09/britains-jobless-crisis-fuelled-benefits-loophole-encourages/

As one of a lefter feeling, I am staggered to see these figures. No wonder the UK finds itself dancing with economic ruin . .  >:(   ::)

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The question, as always with hypotetical scenario's, is how many are actually playing this game?

The welfare system, by design, is a contract based on honesty between recipient and the state. If the Govt. went too heavy and paid a fortune for extra staff for extras checks to be made, that would be just as costly and the media would be up in arms about civil service costs. If you introduced processes that nearly every Country in the World relies on to monitor welfare and other frauds, which is the most effecient way i.e routine and ongoing data matching, everyone screams big brother, even if what is written is a pack of media lies.

In fact it was one such lie from a Telegraph journalist, that led to the libdems after the 2010 election, forcing the Tories to scrap some checks that were already being used in welfare fraud as part of their bargaining for forming a coalition Government. All based on effing lies. Before the Telegraph could correct the story, if they ever intended to, it was picked up be the beeb, 'The Daily Telegraph is reporting' and then went viral leading to media outrage. And it was all lies. I know, I was part of a group trying to get the Telegraph to retract their claims. I then had the misfortune to be the recepient of a call from Steve Webb, asking for my associations support in changing the rules. He went on to be pensions minister in the coalition Government. That was like rubbing salt in the wound and he was given short shrift in return. That probably led to serious frauds going undetected. Not talking a bity of fiddling here, but serious financial crimes.


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Our battered PM the redoubtable Rishi Sunak, faces a clutch of by-elections soon and the results are certain to be bruising   ::)

Facing a myriad of severe problems in the UK as we undoubtedly are, I myself, even as one of a more 'left' inclination, feel that Rishi is having a fair go at matters despite a very hostile environment. The UK has to face down these pressures of inflation and for me, Mr Hunt is 'on track'.

The well entrenched problems we see in almost every aspect of life in the UK are the result of many years of misguided indulgence and it can't be fixed by flicking a switch. Thanks to Rishi for trying at least, to take it on !
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Well there we are - Rishi's Tories manage to hold on to Boris J's seat as ULEZ discontent undermines the swing to Labour, but they lose their 'Red Wall' seat in the North in a record breaking defeat. The Lib-Dems take the West-Country seat.

On purely logical grounds the Tories would be very wise to back off the always absurd determination to end ICE car sales by 2030. Desperate Tory MP's are imploring the PM to abandon the Zero pledge . . . .

"Senior Conservatives want the Prime Minister to better protect households from the cost of phasing out new gas boilers by 2035 and delaying a ban on the sale of new petrol cars by 2030. The Tories defied expectations to hold Boris Johnson’s former Uxbridge and South Ruislip seat amid a row over Sadiq Khan’s expansion of London’s ultra-low emission zone (Ulez). Ministers looking for a path to Tory victory at the general election next year are now examining other green “wedge issues” to peel voters away from Labour." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/21/cabinet-members-urge-rishi-sunak-to-abandon-eco-policies/

Maybe another answer would be to encourage people to travel less, use closed freezer cabinets in shops, close the doors of heated shops in winter, raise the a/c setting in pubs a little, walk to work when possible etc etc.

For me EV's and heat pumps are largely for the scrap heap IMO - any other solutions ?

Come on Tories - bite this bullet   :-\
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