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Title: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on August 05, 2017, 06:13:37 PM
Only one week to 2017/8 kick off - I admit I've missed the EPL.

Transfer activity - Man City and Man Utd have spent freely and look to me as if they will be much stronger in 2017/8. Everton and West Ham have made shrewd signings whilst Arsenal have just one free signing and a Lacazette so far.  Spurs have lost Kyle Walker and NO arrivals yet ?

Candidates for relegation - many will be looking at newcomers Huddersfield and Brighton whilst among incumbents, I reckon Swansea City's time in the EPL may be up.

Strangest move is Robbie Keane at 37 moving to play for Calcutta in the Indian Premier League - his Manager a certain Teddy Sheringham.

Torquay play the mighty Tranmere Rovers today - the National League also boasts Leyton Orient and Wrexham this season. Tough down there.

Spare a thought for Neymar this season at PSG - he is being paid £515,000 a week or say £75,000 every day. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on August 05, 2017, 06:54:12 PM
EFL started kast night with Sunderland conceding a goal 13 minutes into the new season. They rallied though and earned a 1-1 draw and looked a bit better than their pre-season form indicated.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on August 06, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Hi Teess. The National League usually kicks off a couple of weeks earlier than the EFL ? I guess it's the Euro's next summer so they need to get on with it !

A good start for your Boys - Derby will be up there this season. Some big big Clubs in the Championship as always and it's hard to get to the top. Important to start with a point for Sunderland after last season - sitting around the bottom of the table NOT what they need.

Or TUFC. A brilliant point against the biggest Club in the NL ! If you have a moment take a look at a very chunky Steve McNulty getting his first yellow for a rather late tackle before getting sent off for squaring up to young Keating. Good fun !

http://www.devonlive.com/torquay-united-show-discipline-and-determination-in-goalless-opener-against-tranmere-rovers/story-30470461-detail/story.html

Onwards and upwards then !

Onwards and upwards then !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on August 06, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Sunderland have lost Jeremain Lens, Jordan Pickford, Vito Mannone, Seb Larsson, Jason Denayer, Javier Manquillo, Fabio Borini, Jermaine Defoe, Jan Kirchhoff, Adnan Januzaj, Steven Pienaar, Victor Anichebe, Joleon Lescott and Will Buckley from last seasons squad
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on August 07, 2017, 07:47:31 AM
Bl**dy hell Teess. You must have 11 players left ? That's a big clearout.

IMO Man Utd have made 3 really outstanding signings so far and will be stronger than Chelsea now - my view reinforced by last night's showing. What a bizarre choice of penalty takers - Cahill, (though he scored), Courtois ?? and new Boy Morata who'd only been on a short while. I always believe you pick the compact Guys with the best feet for penalty taking - Cahill is a hoofer and as for Courtois. MMMmmm. Is Conte losing his grip there - the Diego Costa saga can't help. We'll see.

As for Arsenal, they looked sharp and their new free signing, a bruiser, did really well.

My guess for the season - it'll be Manchester with the rest trailing ! But I'm usually wrong.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on August 07, 2017, 07:46:47 PM
I always believe you pick the compact Guys with the best feet for penalty taking - Cahill is a hoofer and as for Courtois. MMMmmm. Is Conte losing his grip there - the Diego Costa saga can't help. We'll see.

My guess for the season - it'll be Manchester with the rest trailing ! But I'm usually wrong.

I think you will be.

I was surprised about Courtois, but Conte said he's up there with the best in training. But that's not real life.

As for Morata. I thought he looked great. He won everything in the air and nearly nicked it at the end with a strong header. I think he'll be a great signing when he's fit. And luckily for Pedro, the red doesn't count for PL games, so he will be okay to play at the weekend, Rudiger is clearly a class act - pace, power, good feet and we still have Bakayoko on his way to full fitness. Then there's Hazard. And Willian looks in top form. Not much wrong with that lot.

However, Fabregas was quiet yesterday, but he just oozes class and I'm sure he'll be spot on come the weekend.

I think it's very hard to predict who'll be in the mix this season, the Spuds and Arsenal have been very quiet, City and the Mancs have spent heavily, as to a lesser degree, have Chelsea. Everton have gone ballistic.

It'll all come out in the wash.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on August 08, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
Caller, yes Chelsea still have a strong squad.

I've always admired Willian who you mention - his yellow card was a bit harsh, for diving ? When a player is flying around like that, sometimes he'll lose his footing, try to escape injury or even, clip his own heels. This new toughness on diving is a bit silly for that reason.

A simple suggestion, common sense - let a player dive as he wishes, but he only becomes open for sanction IF he appeals to the Ref. for a foul ?   ;)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on August 08, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Replays showed that Bellerin did make contact with Willian so the yellow card was undeserved. The way forward is to encourage referees to award pens when illegal tackles are made and not wait for a player to go down. How many times do we see forwards stay on their feet allowing the referee to avoid making a decision. When I played up front, a long time ago, I reckon I got about 1 in 6 penalty decisions. If playerscare to run the risk of further sanctions by the after match video police then any yellow cards given for diving should also be capable of being anulled as in Willians case
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on August 13, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
A good start to the season for Huddersfield. Now top of the league. A day to remember for the club.


(http://i.imgur.com/ydMrw38.jpg)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on August 13, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
Yes Alfie, probably the best day Huddersfield will ever have - if they can stay top half that'll be an excellent achievement for them,

I saw Chelsea v Burnley on PPTV, C36 on PSI, live. Burnley played really well and took Chelsea by surprise. I have to agree with Caller that Morata looks great - and Willian for me, is always on fire ! Great player. Bad start for the Champs even though they looked strong.

Liverpool given a run by Watford and Rooney scores the Everton winner - well done him.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on August 13, 2017, 01:31:23 PM
Chelsea had 72% of possession before Cahill's act of stupidity. Burnley only looked good when facing 10 men who defensively were all over the place. But all credit to them for doing what they had to do and well. A bigger blow is Fabregas missing the next game. Christensen has played the last two years in the Bundersliga on loan to  Borrussia Monchengladbach and was voted their player of the season. Cahill might find it hard to get back in.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on September 13, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Roger, I see Keiffer Moore has been loaned out to League One side Rotherham. He score two goals on Staurday against Bury and has scored six goals in six games so far this season! Not a bad start to his season.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on October 01, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Keiffer Moore continues to score, Roger. Nine goals so far this season! He's having a cracking loan spell.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on October 01, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
Hi Alfie - KM got 5 in 4 games for Torquay. Maybe he'll make the Ist X1 at Ipswich on his return.

Here's some others I posted on the wrong thread earlier.

''I was chatting over a pint at Heathrow last week to a young Guy - he was telling me about Spurs new ground. The Spurs football pitch will be rolled out lengthwise in 3 pieces from under an end stand, over an astroturf type pitch underneath - (this Guy's Company had sold over 2000 rollers).

The idea is that being able to hold just two (apparently) NFL games per season will enable the financing of the new stadium. Rolling the Spurs' pitch out takes a half hour or so.

I'm surprised the FA are happy with this idea - after all there are going to be two 100 metre grass joints the length of the pitch. I wonder what happens when there's a bad bounce around the penalty area ? How solid is the base ?  Will the more weighty Premier players make a dent when they land from a high jump ?
(Adebayo Akinfenwa is pre-banned from using it apparently).

If the NFL interests are actually going to put in enough dosh to enable the project - so be it. Appalling though it is to see this awful but awful (IMHO) game brought to our shores in greater strength.

What I don't get, design wise, is why the Spurs pitch is not grounded underneath with the astroturf being rolled out occasionally above - it's bizarre. It's not as if the pitch quality matters for the NFL is it ? I predict a disaster for Spurs' project. ATB

P.S. I read up on this in a recent DT article - but I can't find the exact one now
.''

And . . . .

''Alfie yes Aston Villa and JT are heading to the play off zone now after some good results. You gotta wish the old rascal JT well haven't you ?  ;)

I see Pep Guardiola praised the humility of Man. City's Kevin de Bruyne while Chelsea's Conte bemoans the loss of this same player to CFC in Mourinho's day. City and Man Utd look in charge of the EPL atm even though Spurs look in good form with Harry Kane rampant again. As for the rest atm - they already look like 'also rans'.

After 7 games poor old Palace (P. 7. L. 7 GF. 0 GA. 17) face Chelsea next - their plight almost matched by hapless Torquay who held the NL leaders to 0-0 until a 90th minute penalty - the fifth game they've lost in the 90th and injury time this season. Apparently Torquay deserved to win.

In the Championship - surely one or two of Bolton, Sunderland and Birmingham will fight free of the drop zone before too long. Burton Albion look to be in freefall !

Great to see Football back - I recently saw Swindon Town (first visit for 40 years) and was greatly chuffed to see a slightly older Don Rogers, Frank Burrows and John Trollope sitting in the stand nearby - heroes of the Wembly win against Arsenal. I also saw TUFC but least said the better about that !

Nice day all
.''

Gonna watch Arsenal's second half later - a win for them I think ?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on October 23, 2017, 11:40:48 PM
There's a lesson to be learned from this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oZZKjrKds

It took place in Thailand. The under-18s youth cup, apparently.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on October 24, 2017, 05:48:07 AM
Thanks Alfie that's hilarious  :D

Watching Arsenal wallop Everton on Sunday, I thought Petr Cech put in a wacky performance - I think the rest of the team thought, 'bloody hell, Petr's on a bender, we'll have to play well today' ! And they did.

Manchester rules OK atm. Spurs and Chelsea can get a chase going but one has to doubt that the Arsenal will do the same. Liverpool struggling badly. Pre season, I commented that Everton (just heard Koeman's gone !) and West Ham seemed to have made some great signings but that ain't worked out too well has it ?

Did anyone else think that Spurs new ground was in concept - bonkers ?

TUFC off the bottom of the National League at last.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 01, 2017, 08:16:53 PM
Sunderland have sacked another manager. Simon Grayson has been given the boot after 15 games in charge aftr only drawing at home to Bolton. Incredibly Sunderland have not won a home game in 2017. Grayson brought in several new players to replace the 15 or 16 that left. They were Aidan McGeady, Janes Vaughan, Robin Ruiter, Jason Steele, Marc Wilson and Callum Macmanaman on permanent deals as well as Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Jonny Williams and Lewis Grabban on loan. Lamine Kone, for whom they turned down a bid of £18m last year, has lost his place to the slow and eldefly John O'Shea. Who will they turn to. Big Sam again? Mick McCarthy again? Aitor Karanka? Roy Keane again? Current favourite is Kevin Phillips who would also be my choice.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 01, 2017, 08:52:47 PM
Sweet Lord Teess ! ''Incredibly Sunderland have not won a home game in 2017. ''
Your other team should be TUFC.
It's a tragedy for your great Club - I remember Sunderland bringing 7000 ? fans down to Swindon in the 70's I think. That's some journey.
Grayson probably knew he couldn't do it. But just 15 games ?
Patience ! Good luck.  :-[
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 02, 2017, 06:35:45 AM
An amazing night for English clubs in Europe.  ;D

Spurs beat Real Madrid 3-1 at Wembley. With Trippier, Winks, Dier, Kane and Alli in the side, SURELY young Southgate might win a game or few in next year's World Cup ? Well done Pochettino !!

Man City crush Napoli 2-4 with Stones and Sterling in their best form for some years, Fabian Delph playing too and Walker on the bench. Liverpool sort out Maribor 3-0 with Milner, Henderson, Sturridge and Oxlade-C in the team.

English club sides often don't compete too well in Europe, but with performances like this, will the National team be able to pick up the theme ?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on November 06, 2017, 12:27:03 PM
Congratulations re. Wolves ! Good to see. My 3 sons are Leeds fans - ffs ! (Thye are not quite so cheerful atm  :-[ )

What happened to Leeds, Roger? They were doing great at the beginning of the season but seem to have collapsed. They're still in tenth place but only because of their great start to the season. Has the manager lost the dressing room? Or is there something else?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 06, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
Hi Alfie. Don't know about Leeds - it looks like it was just an early season flush of form !

Watched Man City v Arsenal last night. City were very impressive again but I thought Arsenal had a good go in the second half. Aguero looked unhappy going off. For Arsenal, Sanchez tried hard as ever but I bet he rues missing out on that summer transfer. Doesn't look like Man. City need him now. Wenger is infuriating - Lacazette on the bench with Giroud and they lose . . . .  Just MO but the 'chase' is over this year for the Gunners already.

Stories coming out of Chelsea make me wonder if all is well. Does Conte really miss Italy ? David Luiz is dropped. But a good win for CFC over the unbearable Mourinho who is boring Man Utd fans to death atm.

Talk of Moyes going to West Ham or Everton ? It's gonna be quite a scrap around the relegation zone this year.

In the Championship, sad to see the bottom 3 - Sunderland, Bolton and Brum with Hull and Reading not far above the zone either.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on November 06, 2017, 02:49:28 PM
I don't understand why there has been all the noise about Conte, to be honest and it was good to see Chelsea put on such a good display yesterday. We have had significant injuries to deal with, especially Hazard and Kante, but look back to our best now and I think the score line yesterday flattered United. Even though we looked good yesterday, I look forward to Moses returning as I think we look so much better balanced when he is there, although Zappacosta is proving to be an excellent back up.

It's been evident that some players have been basking in the glory of last seasons title and real champions don't do that and Luis has been guiltier than most. I'm sure he'll fight back, as last season he was immense. But Conte is right, we haven't been playing with the intensity of last season and hopefully that is now in the past. But time will tell on that one.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 06, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
At the moment there is no team close to challenging City. United are limited but may improve when Zlatan and Pogba return. Much vaunted Spurs seem to be struggling to keep it up week after week and are heavily dependent on Kane. Arsenal are regressing with Sanchez playing out his last few weeks and Ozil underperforming. Liverpool have no defence but are a good watch. Chelsea cant play without Kante and Conte has now fell out with Luiz. Incidentally when Sakho missed his header againt Gazzaniga early on should it not have been a penalty? Every other team just trying to stay up.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on November 06, 2017, 04:50:08 PM
At the moment there is no team close to challenging City.

I agree with that, its hard not to, but I think like all teams, they will hit a lean spell. Liverpool ran them close before Manes sending off and even arsenal yesterday tested them for a while. I think Spurs could be their toughest game.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 06, 2017, 05:16:13 PM
West Ham - Bilic OUT and Moyes IN apparently. I wonder how that will go ?

Teess - did you want him back at Sunderland ?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 06, 2017, 06:12:30 PM
Errr No. He took a functioning team put together by Big Sam and turned them into the shambles we have now. If West Ham take on Moyes they will go down. I hope they do. They deserve to having been gifted a virtually free 60,000 capacity stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 07, 2017, 05:15:37 AM
Teess it seems to me that West Ham need saving but David Moyes does too !
I'd like to think he can do well but his record since the Everton days is overall, not good.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 18, 2017, 08:51:27 AM
Morning Teess - I daresay you've heard that Chris Coleman is your new Manager at Sunderland.
A decent Guy who has done well for Wales - I guess he couldn't resist the higher pay packet rather than the 'safety' of the Wales job. Good luck with that - Coleman's record as a Club Manager
is patchy ?

I wonder if Conte at Chelsea is watching the vacant Italy job now ?

See some text on France 24 saying that Pogba and Ibrahamovic are back in the Man Utd squad for today ? I think Man Utd will benefit from that.

I'll be very surprised if Arsenal can hold Spurs with Erikkson rampant atm !

Glad the EPL is back - missed it!
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 18, 2017, 09:40:43 AM
Just read  that. Lets see how he gets on. I actually think they were a bit premature in sacking Grayson. Hopefully Coleman will be strong enough to contnue the squad overhaul and get rid of the old guard, Cattermole and O'Shea, for starters.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 29, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
Good to see Sunderland climb to 3rd from the bottom with 14 points (as TUFC do the same in the National with 17 points).  A bit happier atm ?
A decent start for Chris Coleman but it's a big job he has to do.

How is Defoe getting on at B'muff ? Was it a 3 year contract and that was big dosh for an old 'un - did they over stretch ?

These weekly predictions are frustrating - my own performance is more than dismal really. But looking back at pre-season thoughts, I did spot MCFC and M.Utd as standing out. Just those 2 and CFC now for the EPL I suppose. Spurs are fading atm and though Arsenal have got a good result or two - will it last ?

I thought Swansea might have a hard time but was wrong in tipping West Ham and Everton for a good season !

Nil desperandum. Teess - I may catch you at the top of the Predictors list yet ! Or not.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 29, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
I think Defoe is injured at the moment but that shouldn't have prevented him for being nominated for BBC sports personalty of the year. Disgrace Kane is there (Spurs) having won the same number of trophies as Defoe. Some of the other nominees are unknown. Another absentee is Phil Taylor. As for Spurs if City win tonight Spurs will be 16 pts behind and only 15 ahead of Palace.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 29, 2017, 02:16:34 PM
If Defoe is nominated for SPOTY that's plumb crazy - nothing against him but there are far more deserving achievers around IMO.  ???
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on November 29, 2017, 03:30:37 PM
Defoe should be nominated not so much for his football, though he did reclaim his England place, but for his friendship with the terminally ill 6 year old  child Bradley Lowery. If you are unaware of this story it explains everything that is wrong with the london centric media.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on November 29, 2017, 04:34:56 PM
Teess. I was aware of that story but IMO SPOY should be about sport itself. Yes Defoe is a true Gent of course and it was a touching friendship.

 
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on November 29, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Defoe was wonderful with Bradley Lowery, but over the years many sportsmen, including footballers, have befriended seriously and terminally ill children and either created charities or strongly supported charities that provide care and assistance for such children and their families.

I have no idea who the sportsmen are that Tees mention in his post and the SPOTY is generally something I have lost interest in since being here, but I think the outcome should be decided by sporting prowess alone, to be honest.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on November 30, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
Wayne Rooney on fire yesterday with a nice hat-trick. One goal from the half-way line!

Their next manager, Big Sam, was sitting watching. Everton on the way back up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHxHIPQJFNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCqjhxTngLI
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 02, 2017, 04:54:10 AM
Thanks for that Tube Alfie - actually on my coal fired computer - it wouldn't open. But well done Rooney. Maybe he was holding up Man Utd's development a little, maybe not, but he still knows his way around a football pitch and how to score ! Excellent and good to see Everton on the way back - hopefully. A great Club - I saw Everton v Arsenal maybe 20 years ago with a Pal - his Dad Jack Lyons, used to play with Tommy Lawton in the 40's I believe.
With Sam Allardyce at the helm now - he's a good Manager but a bit dodgy - how will they do. Actually the dumped David Unsworth is a great fellow and his brief reign ended with Everton 5 points clear of the relegation places . . . .

I expected another strong challenge from Spurs this year - but 16 points behind MCFC and in 7th. Has the bubble burst ? Will they pick up ? Pochettino's new book, even though for charity, might have rolled the 'morale' of some. In the summer Spurs lost Kyle Walker - maybe they need some big signings now - Bale ?

I like Alan Pardew but he's a bit excitable. Gary Nelson, an ex Plymouth icon and a Charlton and TUFC player, wrote 2 books based in the lower leagues - 'Left Foot Forward' and ? - he spent a lot of time with 'Pards' at Charlton and he came over OK. Good luck to Pards at WBA - another strange choice.

ENGLAND'S WORLD CUP OPPONENTS - BELGIUM, TUNISIA & PANAMA. The pundits are saying it's an easy Group - but Belgium have some GOOD players . . .  Courtois, Alderweireld, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, De Bruyne, Fellaini, Chadli, Mertens, E Hazard, Batshuayi, Mirallas, Mignolet all in a recent squad.
Media hype followed by disappointment ?

I see Teess is 18 points clear of ME in the 'Predictions' league. How does he do it ?
Shame.



   
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 11, 2017, 04:36:14 PM
Jermaine Defoe scored 2 fantastic goals for B'muff against Hodgson's Palace and there's life in another old boy, Mr Wayne Rooney who has now scored 8 EPL goals for Everton.

Jose Mourinho picks a scrap in the 'away' dressing room after the game - City now have 14 EPL wins in a row. Also at Man Utd, Luke Shaw, still only 22, is apparently demanding a £5 million pay-off before leaving - his current £130K a week will be hard to match.

Olivier Giroud scores after playing 16 minutes - how Arsenal keep leaving him on the bench is beyond me. Similarly Charlie Austin who can't get into the Saints team much, has scored a goal for every 80 minutes on the pitch - about 40 goals in a full season. Crazy.

The excellent David Silva scores for City and I thought how lucky we are to see him, Coutinho, Cazorla, Hazard, Salah and all in the EPL.

Sunderland fans are happier with a Championship point than TW's Wolves who are still gloriously top - I'd love to see them back in the Premier.

Any thoughts on our World Cup group ?
ENGLAND'S WORLD CUP OPPONENTS - BELGIUM, TUNISIA & PANAMA. The pundits are saying it's an easy Group - but Belgium have some GOOD players . . .  Courtois, Alderweireld, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, De Bruyne, Fellaini, Chadli, Mertens, E Hazard, Batshuayi, Mirallas, Mignolet all in a recent squad.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on December 11, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Klopp throws away 2 points by leaving out Coutinho and Firmino from his team v Everton. City dominated united and fully deserved their win. Indeed Defoe's second goal was a beauty. Hard to see anyone getting close to City now.
I agree Roger that the EPL has plenty of talent and would add Pogba, Aguero, Sanchez and Ozil to your list as well as some lesser lights such as Richarlison.
Easy group for England but you never know with them and when they play Tunisia they will be up against Sunderland's Wahbi Khazri.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on December 11, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
Looks like in Europe that Chelsea will have to beat Barcelona - again!  ::)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 13, 2017, 05:53:27 AM
Well done Burnley - into the top FOUR! Many K-F's must be at an age to remember their 'glory' days under Harry Potts with Angus, Elder, Lochhead, Pointer, Connelly etc. and the wonderful Jimmy McIlroy . . .

Re. MUFC v MCFC - one obvious question . .  Would there have been a scrap at all if Mourinho had stayed in his own dressing room - after all, his team had been outplayed - he must have had something to talk about to his own players ? JM - highly successful but a prat.

''When Guardiola’s claims that City had shown United huge respect were put to Mourinho, the United manager said: “He says, he says, I’m not here to comment on his words, the only thing I can say is that for me it was just a question of diversity, diversity in behaviours, diversity in education, just that and nothing more than that.” Guardiola and City are likely to raise eyebrows over Mourinho lecturing them over their behaviour given the controversy that has followed the Portuguese’s career.'' (BBC).

Great win for Chelsea back on track - for runner's up ! The super-manic Conte would do well to reflect on JM's sacking just a few months after winning the EPL - there are rumbles about Conte's attitude to the feisty CFC hierarchy.

Ethan Ampadu, at 17 a Wales international, made his Chelsea debut in the EPL last night, the youngest since Jody Morris many years ago. Exeter City should have a juicy amount coming in compensation for his signing.

And TUFC equalise in the 89th minute - scored by centre-back Sean McGinty - his 4th career goal, (3 at TUFC). Once signed by MUFC from Charlton for a £million and after spells at 12 Clubs, now at the bottom of the National League and still only 24. There are rumours that EFL clubs are circling again - a nice big fee please !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on December 17, 2017, 09:02:05 PM
Manchester City thrash Spurs and move 14 points clear. Troy Deeney gets a red card for a bad tackle while Dele Alli and Harry Kane see only yellow after worse tackles. Lanzini and Ndidi both dive seeking a penalty, Lanzini gets one, Ndidi gets a second yellow. Sunderland win a home game for first time in 2017!
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 19, 2017, 10:46:43 AM
Hi Teess. Some terrible tackles go unpunished or get a yellow - going through the man to take the ball. Serious question marks over Alli who seems to have lost form and have a poor temperament - he looks both arrogant and nasty. He needs to steady up as he ain't achieved his potential yet.

What about 3 old favourites doing well again ? Hodgson has got Palace off the bottom to 14th, West Ham showing signs of life at 15th with your Pal Moyes and Big Sam has now got Everton up to 9th, (mind you I think David Unsworth might have had them turning the corner already).

The top teams are flying again but paper talk of unrest at Man U under Mourinho - why does Lukaku refuse to celebrate scoring ? David Luiz to Arsenal ? Man City 16 wins in a row chased by an unimpressive Man U.

Yes well done Sunderland - winning 1-0 with 34% possession BUT 70% of the shots on target. First home win in 364 days - that's some spell !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: jivvy on December 19, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
Roger, Moyes is at West Ham, Big Sam is at Everton,
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 19, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
Jivvy thanks. I know that of course but I muddled and clipped my sentence.  :-[
Half asleep I think. Edited now. ATB
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 19, 2017, 12:36:29 PM
Teess. Keith Hackett agrees with you !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/17/harry-kane-dele-alli-should-have-sent-man-city-terrible-weekend/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 20, 2017, 08:29:38 AM
Coming back to it - 4 old favourites just started managing EPL teams again.

That's Hodgson at Palace, Allardyce at Everton and David Moyes at West Ham, who after a few good results is claiming 'he can do any job in the World !! Brave words David  :-[

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42405860

AND good ole' 'head butt' Alan Pardew - maybe a poisoned chalice at WBA ?

Is there a trend back to British managers in EPL Boardrooms ?

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on December 21, 2017, 09:53:53 AM
Everton are up to ninth in the table already. What a turnaround. And Palace unbeated in 5 games. Good stuff.

Who's next for a new manager. Swansea?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: jivvy on December 21, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Quote
Who's next for a new manager. Swansea?

Many a true word is spoken in jest.

Paul Clement: Swansea sack manager after less than a year in charge
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on December 22, 2017, 10:33:43 AM
^  :D 

That leaves Benitez next in line for the chop unless he can change Newcastle's results very soon. When the new owner arrives, she might decide the time is right for a new manager.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on December 22, 2017, 11:11:22 AM
^  :D 

That leaves Benitez next in line for the chop unless he can change Newcastle's results very soon. When the new owner arrives, she might decide the time is right for a new manager.

They need to change the players, not the manager! He irritated the crap out of me when he was in opposition to Chelsea and that carried on when he became Chelsea manager. But it has to be said that he is a top manager.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on December 22, 2017, 10:33:37 PM
Just over a week to the January transfer window opening. Let's see who he gets in.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on December 25, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
Middlesbrough have parted company with Garry Monk.
Sheffield Wednesday have parted company with Carlos Carvalhal.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 26, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
Yes Alfie - Monk and Carvalhal both lost their jobs, after their last game, against each other !
Both Clubs were doing OK.

The legendary Dennis Bergkamp has also been sacked as Asst. Manager at Ajax.

I noticed that Thomas Rosicky, another old favourite from Arsenal, has retired from Sparta Prague due to a succession of injuries. 105 caps for Czech republic. Great player IMO.

Jose Mourinho calls his players 'immature' and berates them for 'childish decisions'. I bet they loved that after his trouble making in the Man City tunnel recently. In the Guardian, speculation about JM having his '3rd season syndrome' in his 2nd season at Man Utd :-

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/25/manchester-united-jose-mourinho-third-season-syndrome-manchester-city
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on December 29, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Sheffield Wednesday have parted company with Carlos Carvalhal.

Carlos Carvalhal is now the new manager at Swansea. He wasn't unemployed for long!
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on December 30, 2017, 03:59:11 AM
Hi Alfie. Just 4 days ?? And before Carvalhal joined Wednesday he'd been 'resting' for 3 years.
Carvalhal must be an impressive character to have got the Wednesday job in the first place - he seems to have had an unimpressive record previously. And I wonder if Wednesday's BoD knew of the Swansea interest ? They 'let him go' after reaching the play offs in the last 2 years and were 11 points from relegation and play off zones.

Virgil Van Dyke £75 million - crazy fee but Liverpool have long wanted him. Good player.

Rumours abound - Arsenal's Walcott, Giroud seem to hang loose and Sanchez is surely off to MCFC or PSG ? CFC's Hazard and MCFC's Aguero to Real Madrid ? Interesting indeed.

EPL's Champions League spots will surely be taken by the BIG 6 - there's no place for a Leicester City type event this year. Mourinho cynics like me have to concede that Man U are right there in second atm.

Top Scorers - as the World Cup approaches in dear old Mother Russia - rampant Kane is on 18, great to see Sterling at last doing well, 12, romping Rooney on 10, well done him, and Vardy scoring again 8. Come on England !

In the Championship, TW's Wolves 8 points clear and Tees' S'land are edging up. In the Conference, a briefly resurgent TUFC now anchored in the sad zone by 9 points.

Back to bed I think ! Then a bike ride to Laem Sing beach for breakfast. Nice day to all.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 02, 2018, 05:59:09 AM
I noticed this 'fact' on the BBC website this morning - after Ragnar Klavan of Estonia scored for Liverpool yesterday, he was noted as the 97th player of different nationality to score in the Premier League (since it's inception?).    ??? ???

For some reason this stat excludes 'own goals'.

Amazing.  8)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on January 02, 2018, 12:55:56 PM
^ It seems to be the trend in British football these days, Roger. Maybe in other countries too. Stats mad. The same with "assists". In my day (when I were a lad) all we wanted to know about was who scored. Now we get not only who passed the ball to them before they scored but how many "assists" each player had made in a season. It's all stats, stats, stats. Presumably they want to justify the massive amounts of money that gets spent on football and how much TV and other media spend on football coverage.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 06, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
Yes plenty of Stats Alfie - even the 'ground covered' by each Player during the game - that's good for the Manager to spot any slackers !

Carlos Tevez has left China to return to Boca Juniors having presumably made all the money he needs now. Remember his strange arrival at West Ham in 2006 along with Mascherano who now seems on the fringe at Barcelona ?

Ross Barkley turns up at CFC for £15 million - I wonder how that will turn out. IMO a poor replacement if Hazard goes to Real Madrid as suggested.

I've a feeling that Liverpool may finish 2nd now as Van Dyke shores their defence wobbles.
It'll be interesting to see what happens at Arsenal who look out of sorts at 6th position and 4 points off 4th place. Sanchez, Giroud, Walcott all unsettled. How long before the calls for Arsene's head begin again ?

Everton pay £27 million for a Turkish international - Tosun.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on January 06, 2018, 06:34:35 PM
I reckon this keeper needs his eyes checked.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-Ehkea8Vs
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 07, 2018, 04:06:19 AM
Alfie - 'not available' ? What happened ? ATB
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on January 09, 2018, 07:11:40 PM
Try one of these, Roger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QtBkWUvF5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIRKjlm1mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iJTnvgbC0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C30JPBM4kAk
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 10, 2018, 04:31:10 AM
Thanks Alfie. That's unbelievable. Hilarious !
No suspicion of match fixing going on ?
The Goalie must have been concussed surely.
If not, he would have been concussed on returning to the dressing room   ;)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 13, 2018, 07:02:29 PM
Just a quick three.

Alexis Sanchez - Man City won't pay a £35 million fee in Jan as in June he's a free agent.
Is that a bit short sighted, because presumably, he'll be signing a 5 year contract ?
Also as there's no fee, his wage demands will go up in June and Man Utd might sign him in the meantime. But I see the point  ::)  35 million of 'em !

We sometimes bemoan the dearth of English players in our leagues. Christian Walton, 22 on Brighton's books, is on loan to Wigan and playing well. He's played for England Under 19, 20 and 21 but is 4th choice for the EPL team - thus the loan. Matthew Ryan is the Brighton keeper, then Niki Maenpaa (Finland) and Tim Krul (Holland). (I follow this because I know his Mum and step Dad). Walton's 4 year contract at Brighton is up this season - I'm guessing Wigan will offer him a fat deal as they just have to Nick Powell, ex Man Utd. MMmmm.

Kieffer Moore signs for Barnsley from Ipswich/Rotherham - joining Angus MacDoanald, ex TUFC too. BTW TUFC look stuffed ! Proper !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on January 13, 2018, 09:59:54 PM
Interesting. Ipswich loaned Moore out to Rotherham on a season loan becaue he wasn't good enough to play for Ipswich. Moore is successful at Rotherham then Ipswich recall Moore only to sell him. Ipswich desperate for money? They bought Moore cheap - for 10 or 20,000 pounds, played him 11 times as a sub, got some money from Rotherham for the loan spell and, apparently, had him up for sale at a high price, according to the Peterbourough manager. Too expensive for Posh but not for Barnsley. Moore is listed as a substitute today against Wolves. Still, if Barnsley go down this season, they've got a proven League 1 goal scorer on their books for next season.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 19, 2018, 05:55:31 AM
Man Utd have signed Alexis Sanchez, (just about). A report in today's DT :-

''Manchester United’s breathtaking deal to sign Alexis Sanchez is worth around £180 million after the forward agreed a four-and-a-half-year contract. The 29 year-old will be paid £14m a year after tax - just under £27m a year before tax - to join United, on top of his £30m valuation, £20m signing-on fee, and an agents’ fee worth more than £10m.
 
That all adds up to around £180m for a player who had entered the final six months of his Arsenal contract and goes some way to explaining why Manchester City walked away from negotiations. Similarly, despite Antonio Conte admitting his admiration of the Chilean, Chelsea, who went close to signing Sanchez last summer, would not match the figures on offer at Old Trafford. Despite widespread acknowledgment over what a talented player he is, there is astonishment among clubs and agents over the numbers involved in the Sanchez deal
.''

Nice work if you can get it - but IMO (as a Luddite) bad for the game we love ! This transfer brings the crazy money taken by a few in the aspiring China league, into Europe - exceeding what was paid to Neymar on leaving Barca for PSG ! Madness. I hope that Man Utd do not get good value - maybe to deter the others !

Inevitably we'll pay for this trend in the cost of TV access and gate entrance - it cannot be otherwise. And the big clubs will have to battle for a bigger slice of the TV money leaving the beleagured smaller Clubs to suffer. Disgraceful. Shame on Man Utd IMO.

To recap - that's £20 million signing on fee and £500K a week. Shame on you Man Utd.
It really is too late even to hope that a 'maximum wage' can be implemented to bring some sense to the 'Casino' game we have now. Shocking. Just MHO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/17/alexis-sanchez-agrees-four-year-manchester-united-contract-arsenal/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on January 19, 2018, 11:13:54 AM
I personally doubt some of the figures quoted.

United entering the race directly led to City pulling out as the agent wanted to increase everything on offer and City simply walked away. It also undermined the players own claim that City were his preferred destination. So now Sanchez has only two options, stay at Arsenal or go to Old Trafford. That is in Man U's favour and I doubt at the end he will get much more than City were originally offering.

In an article about why City pulled out, agents fees of £5m were quoted and now they are reported as being between £5 - £10m, still crazy, but not necessarily £10m. And that applies to all the other figures the Telegraph have quoted - They are all at the top end of what has been reported elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 19, 2018, 01:54:49 PM
Hi Caller and thanks for that. I hope you are right and that the DT figures are much exaggerated ! Interesting time at Arsenal generally - apart from the Sanchez 'departure', Walcott (19 goals last season and 65 in a 270 game career) is off to Everton, supersub Giroux unwanted and rumoured to be off (73 goals in a 177 game career) just as Aubameyang might be arriving - Aubameyang had better be useful to replace those 3 !

Has Antonio Conte at Chelsea lost his touch ? Apparently an approach for West Ham's beleagured Andy Carroll has faltered due to an injury but they are looking at the everlovable Peter Crouch at Stoke City. Just MO but 2 odd targets for a top 6 side ?

The terrible saga surrounding Barry Bennell, once a Coach at Crewe and other Clubs, has gone to Court. A witness has said, "Four people from teams I have played with, with Bennell, have taken their own lives." That includes the much missed Gary Speed, one of Football's nice Guys.
R.I.P.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on January 24, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
Re. the predictions thread - the sublime Teess is walking away with it - no one can catch him ? Caller in second position may be a little more vulnerable and in the sights of those below.
So - on your mettle Caller !

The EIGHTH EPL Manager has said 'Goodbye' to his Lads this season - Marco Silva from Watford. Inside track is that he had his head turned by possibilities at Everton, but evenso, ain't it bonkers that a small Club in 8th position sacks it's Manager - presumably appointed with great wisdom at the time ? Sweet Lord don't these BoD's realise that only One team can be top and another 3 in the Champs League places etc. ?

Robin Van Persie has shuffled his highly paid feet from Fenerbahce to Feyenoord.

Later reports of the Sanchez bounty quote a measly £300K per week which is something over
Baht 13,000,000 per week. I'm not a Man Utd fan myself - but I think if Sanchez can get on with JM OK, he could give Man Utd a real lift for a year or two. It's a great season IMO.

And come on TUFC !



Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 02, 2018, 05:40:03 PM
Arsenal v Everton is a fascinating fixture on Saturday - Everton's Walcott, with 2 goals in his first game, will be looking to make his mark. I saw a comment that last season, Sanchez 30, Walcott 19 and Giroud 16, scored 67% of Arsenal's total goals - all 3 gone in the transfer window. Arsenals 2 new signings Aubemayang and Mikhitaryan combined well at Dortmund apparently so with Ozil on his fat new contract - will they impact on Arsenal's so far poor season ?

I hope Giroud does well at Chelsea - he scored over 100 goals in 250 games (approx) for Arsenal and couldn't get a regular game ?

There should be an epic scrap for survival in the EPL - 4 Clubs are above the Zone by 1 point and 8 by up to 5 points. So any 3 from ELEVEN !

Early K.O. tomorrow - Burnley v Man City - should be good.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on February 04, 2018, 04:06:30 PM
Roger, you'll be pleased to see Torquay get three points yesterday against Barrow, even with Grant Holt playing for them (Barrow). I often wonder about Holt's mental state, or perhaps it's physical. He has dropped down the leagues pretty quickly. It doesn't seem too long ago he was playing for Norwich in the Premiership. Then with Wigan in the Championship (I was at one game where he came on as a sub for Wigan and he set up a goal - an assist), now he's in the National League trying to help Barrow stay up. He's one of those players who stick in my mind and I'm interested in how he gets on, although I sometimes find it hard to fathom out his decisions. Such is life.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 05, 2018, 08:20:54 AM
Hello Alfie - I could hardly believe my eyes, a 3-1 TUFC win - they can still make it a 3rd unlikely escape from relegation - but there's a lot to do. The Manager is ok but he's had so many loan players shuffling around it's hard. Looking better atm. MMmmm
I've seen Holt play a few times.

Arsenal's new look - a good start with a 5-1 win.

I noticed good ole' John Terry is still plugging away at centre back and at the core of Aston Villa's rise to challenge for the auto-promotion spots. I wonder if Chelsea would have benefited from having JT around for another season ? Well done JT.

I see Leeds in 10th have sacked their Manager. Hasty IMO. Teess sorry to see Coleman is having trouble sorting Sunderland out - he may regret leaving the Wales job where he was safe !

Bl**dy predictable stuff in the EPL again - I got 2 right at a quick look ! Dire.  :-[
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 13, 2018, 05:46:13 AM
From the DT. Gordon Taylor earns amost £1.2 million basic salary and somehow merits a £800K bonus !  ??? At 73  ;) I think this is an absolute insult to all the modestly paid Footballers he represents. Just MO but I can't say I have ever been impressed with anything I've heard him say over the years. A mediocre Manager and a superb opportunist for himself. Out !  >:(

''The Professional Footballers’ Association is under pressure to address Gordon Taylor’s “absolutely scandalous” salary and bonus after it emerged he earnt almost £2.3 million last season - £44,000-a-week. Members of the Digital, Culture, Media & Sport select committee have called for the PFA to review what its long-serving chief executive was paid following the near doubling of the £1.3m he took home the previous year.

The PFA’s accounts also showed it put only £100,000 into concussion and head injury research in the year ending June 30, with campaigners branding the disparity “a kick in the teeth
”.''

You can read it all . . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/12/pfa-pressure-address-ceo-gordon-taylorsabsolutely-scandalous/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 13, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
More on the Moreon Taylor story :-

''You give it to the television companies, who hand it on to the football leagues, who pass £27 million of it to the Professional Footballers’ Association, which pays its chief executive Gordon Taylor £2.3m a year, including a “bonus” of £777,000. When you join the dots like this, Taylor’s extravagant remuneration package of £44,000 a week (higher than the average wage at many Premier League clubs) ceases to be a random example of fat-catism in a society with runaway executive pay and starts to look like yet another hefty bill picked up by the football loving punter.

Taylor, remember, is a trade union leader, whose organisation collects only £547,000 of its income from 4,930 members - and the bulk, £26.6m, from TV fees.
 
Thus the PFA is a rare example of a union being funded by customers, and then the bosses, the employers, the people who own the industry: the clubs and the leagues. For £27m, those leagues would probably hope for a lot of compliance, or at least not too much kicking and screaming from the shop floor. In this nice loop of mutual interest, Premier League players are hardly the miners of the 1980s, or today’s “flexible” army of zero-hours low-paid workers.

In truth, there is not much for many of Taylor’s best-paid members to complain about, which leaves their 73-year-old chief executive to beaver away at welfare programmes or go on Radio 4’s Today programme when one of his players offends public sensibilities or threatens to go on strike.

Football’s ability to look the other way on Taylor’s pay is one of the more baffling blindspots. Even newspaper allegations that he gambled £4m in 30 months as the head of an organisation with avowed zero tolerance for players betting caused no great disturbance at PFA headquarters, where much good work is done, but not enough, judging from the accounts, in the field of concussion and head injury research, to which the PFA allocated £100,000 last year - a figure 22-times less than Taylor’s income.

This juxtaposition has broken the widespread silence on the head honcho’s pay. It often takes an outrageous contrast - a telling single detail - to make people see the thing right in front of them.
In mitigation, growing evidence of dementia among ex-players is not solely the PFA’s responsibility, morally, financially, or in the field of research, any more than the National Union of Mineworkers should carry the can for lung disease among people who worked underground.

The burden should fall mainly on the Football Association, the leagues and the clubs who employed them, with a duty of care; but there is no escaping the paltry nature of that £100,000 commitment in the context of Taylor’s £41,246 vehicle allowance and a “bonus” more than seven times greater than the contribution to research demanded by Jeff Astle’s family and others.

In the PFA accounts we see a £400,000 payment to Sporting Chance, which Kieron Dyer has thanked in his book for helping him deal with the trauma of child sex abuse, and £1.79m for “educational and vocational grants.” This is a charitable organisation tasked with much of the work football should be doing for itself, not contracting out to the union. But then you realise those “educational and vocational grants” cost around the same as Taylor’s salary and bonus - and the whole thing justifies Graeme Le Saux’s description of it as: “Absolutely scandalous.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/13/footballs-blindspot-gordon-taylors-scandalous-salary-baffling/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on February 13, 2018, 08:36:32 PM
While Taylor's salary is indeed a disgrace it is symptomatic of the inflated remuneration of top execs. Other examples are university vice chancellors, the execs in banking who preside over failing institutions,  bosses at the like of Carillion, Stagecoach, Water companies, energy companies et al. Meanwhile Juan Mata has in operation a charity where footballers donate  1%  off their salary. Many have joined this laudable scheme but alas none of his team mates at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on February 13, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
Or looking at it another way, probably the most successful trade union ever - Jimmy Hill will be proud.

I too am against such huge salaries but at least in this case it really isn't costing Joe Public anything and Tees has given examples of much worthier targets The Telegraph should be aiming for.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 04:41:14 AM
While Taylor's salary is indeed a disgrace it is symptomatic of the inflated remuneration of top execs. Other examples are university vice chancellors, the execs in banking who preside over failing institutions,  bosses at the like of Carillion, Stagecoach, Water companies, energy companies et al.

Teess - I agree with you 100% on this.

Or looking at it another way, probably the most successful trade union ever - Jimmy Hill will be proud.

Caller - With respect I disagree with your comment 100%. The £26.6 million from TV fees is a simple windfall for which I doubt Taylor can take much credit. IMO his salary should have been based on the standard of care achieved for his Members - which frankly isn't great !

Fulham was my team as a Lad and from what I know about Jimmy Hill, I doubt he would be much impressed with Taylor's 'achievements'. Many many hundreds if not thousands of talented British players have been pushed down the Leagues by the arrival of hordes of often mediocre Foreign players and exist on paltry non-contract terms with little job security and scant hope of any progression after their short careers. Many Professionals exist on £300 pw while Taylor takes his £44,000 ! (plus bonuses).

I would revise your comment to, 'the LEAST successful Trade Union ever'.
When the revolution comes, me 'n Teess will sort Taylor out  ;) ATB


Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 05:00:31 AM
I was sad to see that Ryan Mason's career is over. I guess he will be OK financially but evenso, he'll miss the game for sure.

''Hull City midfielder Ryan Mason has been forced to retire at the age of 26 as a result of the fractured skull he suffered against Chelsea in 2017. Mason, who won one cap for England in 2015, had to have surgery after a clash of heads with defender Gary Cahill. His decision to retire follows "the guidance of numerous world-renowned neurologists and neuro surgeons".

He said he had "worked tirelessly" to play again but "the risks involved had given him no option but to retire". Mason started his career with Tottenham and joined Hull for a club record fee, believed to be about £13m, in August 2016.''

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43045432
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on February 14, 2018, 09:28:23 AM
Caller - With respect I disagree with your comment 100%. The £26.6 million from TV fees is a simple windfall for which I doubt Taylor can take much credit. IMO his salary should have been based on the standard of care achieved for his Members - which frankly isn't great !

 Many many hundreds if not thousands of talented British players have been pushed down the Leagues by the arrival of hordes of often mediocre Foreign players and exist on paltry non-contract terms with little job security and scant hope of any progression after their short careers. Many Professionals exist on £300 pw while Taylor takes his £44,000 ! (plus bonuses).

Well for a start, £300pw is below the minimum wage based on working 40 hours per week.

why do you doubt Taylor had much to do with the amount received from TV fees? I'd suggest he had everything to do with it. That's his job.

As for professional players from abroad playing in the UK, there's little the PFA or anyone can do to challenge EU law and rulings. Have you forgotten the Bosman ruling? A side effect was to ban the '3 foreigner rule' most Countries adopted and free movement was allowed, just as for everyone. Blame the eu for that, not Taylor.

Lastly, the average League 2 salary is in excess of £40k per annum - that's the average - younger and fringe players will bring that average down. Just do the research it's out there.

You obviously don't like the guy and my main point was that as an overpaid exec, which I agree with, he really hasn't cost Joe Public a penny, many others have and appear to have been left unscathed as a consequence.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 11:40:33 AM
Hi Caller.

IMO Gordon Taylor is self-serving and has been in the job far too long - 37 years. I have seldom seen him talk with any authority or clarity over some difficult issues. I've always thought he was greedy on the salary front. He could have retired 8 years ago on his no doubt fat pension.

I'd be surprised if the fees the PFA receive are anything other than a % of the Broadcasting Rights that the Buyers find acceptable - after all, the PFA do not own those rights to sell.

Taylor has cost Joe Public a penny, as soon as they subscribe to Sky etc. Indirectly maybe, and his £2.3 million goes out of the game instead of to injured players etc.

I think Jimmy Hill would be spinning in his grave - after all, when he first enabled Johnny Haynes to get £100 weekly, that would have been about 5 times the UK average wage ? Taylor's £2,300,000 is maybe 75 times the average wage in the UK now.

The PFA is not a large organisation but apparently Taylor is the highest paid Trade Union leader, IN THE WORLD !  ???

Just some reasons why I don't like him. ATB

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on February 14, 2018, 02:31:03 PM
Hi Caller.

IMO Gordon Taylor is self-serving and has been in the job far too long - 37 years. I have seldom seen him talk with any authority or clarity over some difficult issues. I've always thought he was greedy on the salary front. He could have retired 8 years ago on his no doubt fat pension.

I'd be surprised if the fees the PFA receive are anything other than a % of the Broadcasting Rights that the Buyers find acceptable - after all, the PFA do not own those rights to sell.

Taylor has cost Joe Public a penny, as soon as they subscribe to Sky etc. Indirectly maybe, and his £2.3 million goes out of the game instead of to injured players etc.

I think Jimmy Hill would be spinning in his grave - after all, when he first enabled Johnny Haynes to get £100 weekly, that would have been about 5 times the UK average wage ? Taylor's £2,300,000 is maybe 75 times the average wage in the UK now.

The PFA is not a large organisation but apparently Taylor is the highest paid Trade Union leader, IN THE WORLD !  ???

Just some reasons why I don't like him. ATB

Yes Roger and with respect, I think it's pretty clear your views aren't based on any rational analysis. Comparing a players salary then compared to the head of the PFA, yet alone anyone playing in the top two divisions now, makes little sense, although they both exceed the current average wage by a lot more than 5 times, but then such players today do play to audiences of millions around the World.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 04:59:50 PM
Caller - it's rational enough - the wage of the top footballer in Jimmy Hill's days compared to the average wage earned - Mr Haynes v Joe Public - say a 5 times multiple.

I'm comparing Gordon Taylor's salary NOW v Joe Public NOW - a multiple of 70 times ?

The size of the audience for football is not relevant IMO - they're not watching Gordon Taylor  ;)

He is neither artist or entrepreneur - just a simple (and mediocre) Administrator.
Ludicrous is the word. Money grabbing is what it is.

The highest paid Trade Union Boss in the world ?
Off with his head I say !  ::) ATB





Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
 Whoops ! Daily Telegraph 12 February 2018

''Arsenal released an eight-year-old Harry Kane because he was 'chubby and not very athletic', former academy chief Liam Brady has revealed. Kane - pictured wearing an Arsenal jersey as a child - has developed into a goalscoring sensation at bitter rivals Tottenham Hotspur who spotted him after he was let go. The England striker has scored seven league goals against Arsenal, including the winner in last Saturday's 1-0 north London derby victory at Wembley.
 
“He was a bit chubby, he wasn’t very athletic but we made a mistake,” former Arsenal academy director Brady told Italian publication Corriere della Sera. “But Tottenham sent him out on loan to lower-division clubs three or four times as well. “But through his determination he has carved out an amazing career and he deserves it. He has a character that drives him to improve all the time."

The 24-year-old needs two more goals to break the Premier League record for most goals in north London derbies - an accolade held by Emmanuel Adebayor with eight. Speaking before Tottenham's win - which moved them seven points clear of Arsenal in sixth - Kane said the club's decision to release him left him with a 'chip on my shoulder' and a strong desire to prove the club wrong. Kane said: “I remember the first time we played against Arsenal [for Tottenham’s academy team] and even back then, I had a chip on my shoulder.

“It might sound ridiculous. I was only eight when they let me go, but every time we played them, I thought, ‘Alright, we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong’. “Looking back on it now, [being released by Arsenal] was probably the best thing that ever happened to me because it gave me a drive that wasn’t there before. “ "For me, the rejection is the best thing that ever happened to me. I remember walking round the pitch after the final whistle and clapping to the fans and it felt like, ‘well, I told you so’. “We were in the tunnel, and I thought, ‘Okay took me 12 years, but we’ll see who was right and who was wrong. “I scored two that day, and the winner in the 86th minute was something that I’d never even dream of visualising before a match
."

Whoops  :-X

Nice picture of young Kane on this link . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/12/liam-brady-arsenal-released-harry-kane-bit-chubby/


Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2018, 08:21:31 PM
Hi. So where were the PFA during nearly 20 years of this ?

''The former football coach Barry Bennell has been found guilty of multiple sexual offences against boys from the youth systems of Manchester City and Crewe Alexandra. The jury heard he had used his position in the sport to disguise the fact that he was a “child molester on an industrial scale”.

Bennell, 64, was convicted of 36 charges at Liverpool crown court relating to 10 boys and the jury will return on Wednesday for a fifth day of deliberations about seven charges that are still outstanding against a man described by the prosecution as a “devious paedophile”. After 19 hours of deliberations, the jury of five men and six women convicted Bennell of 27 counts of indecent assault, seven counts of buggery and two counts of attempted buggery. Not guilty verdicts were returned on three further charges, on the direction of the judge earlier.

Bennell previously served three prison sentences in England and the US and had been described by the prosecution as having “pretty much unfettered access to large numbers of young lads who dreamt of a life in professional football”, in his role as a youth coach in Cheshire, Manchester and Derbyshire from the late 1970s to the early 1990s.
''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/13/barry-bennell-found-guilty-of-sexually-abusing-youth-footballers
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on February 15, 2018, 07:58:03 AM
Hi. So where were the PFA during nearly 20 years of this ?

Where were the clubs, the Police, you? Who knows.

Why don't you ask them?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 15, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
I agree Caller. Shocking that this abuse can go on for 20 years.

A few weeks ago I watched 'Spotlight' a film dealing with child abuse in the RC Church in Boston USA. Suspecting there might be 8 offenders they end up with 93 Priests, just in Boston ! And the same situation all over the USA and the wider world. Brilliant film IMO.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on February 16, 2018, 05:40:18 PM
Richard Scudamore, the premier league chairman was paid £3.448m last year! More than £1m higher than Taylor.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 17, 2018, 05:57:05 AM
Hi Teess. Thanks for that.

Scudamore's package IMO is an absolute disgrace although he does have much more influence and a bigger job than Taylor. But again, he is largely just a fortunate Administrator with the right CV rather than a genius or an entrepreneur - (the only sort of people that IMO can justify such earnings).

Re. Taylor - I'd say a salary of 20% of Scudamore's, who would be very lucky to get £1 million when the 'Revolution' comes . . . All good fun.

A large part of that £3.448 million could have gone to smaller Clubs and 'Welfare' for Players and Trainees. Every little helps . . .



Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 17, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
I see the Rooney Family have had a fourth boy child !
Good luck to the long suffering Coleen and wishing them all well.  ;D

Four W.B.A. players including Gareth Barry, who is old enough to know much better, drive themselves home in a 'borrowed' Taxi in Barcelona - as if W.B.A. didn't have enough problems.

On opposing sides in Chelsea v Hull yesterday - Ethan Ampadu, just 18, from Exeter City, fee to be decided and for Hull, Angus McDonald ex TUFC having transferred from Barnsley for £800,000 (rumoured). Ethan's lot came out on top 4-0.

Lastly another Gordon Taylor comment - his package is 4 times the amount awarded to all the PFA's ex-Players in distress with illness and hardship apparently. MMMMmmm.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on February 22, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
Sunderland is apparently up for sale, Roger. Get your cheque book out. Only £50 million.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 23, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
An update on that Alfie - according to this report on BBC, Ellis Short is now prepared to sell his Sunderland shareholding for NOWT  :o  if the Buyer takes over the debt of £137 million. ''Around half of the debt, £69m, is owed to the London-based businessman personally and it is thought the billionaire may forego some or all of that figure as part of any deal.''

So Teess and me just gotta have a plan to refund £68 million of debt ! UUUmmmm ?
We can issue 68,000 voting bonds of £1,000 each to pay that off. That's 34,000 at an average take of 2 each. A lot of Folks. Difficult to find that many ?

That would leave the Club to run on gate money, EFL/TV money and sponsorships etc.

OR Sunderland can find a nice Billionaire to look after them - whoops - that's already failed once. Teess you must be despairing at the state of the finances and it looks like League 1 football next year. Sad to see. Good luck.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43157628
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on February 23, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
What about that Sergio Aguero punch at the Wigan fan ?  8)
I don't blame Aguero - this hooligan should not have been on the pitch at all and was no doubt running at Aguero screaming abuse. And how's Aguero to know he's not got a knife in his pocket. Shameful of that Wigan crowd to abuse Man City, instead of applauding their own sides great win !

I noticed an article about Saido Berahino ex West Brom and at Stoke City now - if he fails to score this weekend, that'll be 2 years since he last scored. Surprising for a talented player once so sought after by top Clubs. GL to him !

Willian of Chelsea hit the post twice before scoring against Barcelona - great player IMO. Complacent Arsenal scrape through in their Europa league tie - I wouldn't be surprised to see them bounce back at Man City on Monday.

Mourinho seems to have problems with Paul Pogba now.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: jivvy on February 23, 2018, 11:35:59 AM
The amazing skills of Ronaldino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dBz4dTZocg
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 02, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
Arsenal have been walloped twice in a week by Man City, back to form after their FA Cup exit ! What now for Arsenal ? After signing Lacazette, Mikitaryan and Aubameyang and securing Ozil at great cost, they look even more lost than in recent seasons.
30 points behind Man City now - the Champions League places look difficult.  :(

It is many years since I heard anything about Brian McClair.
In the DT today :-

''There are few more authentic eye-witnesses to Manchester United’s modern history than Brian McClair, who lived through Sir Alex Ferguson’s transformation of the club from first division mediocrities to the kings of the Premier League - first as a player and then as a coach. It is 30 years since his first year at Old Trafford, when he scored more league goals in a season than any United player since George Best. He was there for Ryan Giggs’ debut, Eric Cantona’s arrival and he has the assist for David Beckham’s 1996 Wimbledon halfway line goal.

In 14 years working at the academy he oversaw the development of every bright young thing from Gerard Pique and Paul Pogba to Marcus Rashford and Scott McTominay. He says he can even remember the first time anyone in the United squad sent a text message – and not least because it was him, the story being a good example of his famously laconic dressing room wit. “My brother-in-law was a BT engineer and explained to me how to text before anyone else had. People at the club were getting scared because they thought they were getting messages from the dark side. I used to text them, ‘Life’s s--- and then you die’.”

At 54 he sports a fulsome grey beard and lives in Edinburgh, where he relocated when he quit United in 2015 for a short-lived spell with the Scottish Football Association. He loves to walk for miles a day and old conventions die hard. Late for our meeting in Manchester, he mentions the Scot who brought him to United. “People talk about ‘Fergie time’ in the sense of him always pointing at his watch but for me Fergie time is not being late. I’m late today and I feel embarrassed about it. If I arrange to meet someone I get there 10 minutes early because I still think if I’m late I’m going to get a row for it. Because at United we would get a proper row for it. I didn’t want to ever leave Manchester United so I didn’t want to give the manager any excuses, other than me trying to run about on the pitch.”

He is self-deprecating but no-one lasts 11 years under Sir Alex Ferguson, as McClair did after signing from Celtic in the summer of 1987, without some talent. Of no less importance to the nine major trophies he won as a United player is what he achieved after he retired, as youth and reserve team coach and then academy director. He helped to launch scores of professional careers at United and elsewhere, including many flourishing in Jose Mourinho’s current side. “No one would have taken Jesse Lingard when he was 16 because he had the skeletal age of a 13-year-old,” McClair says. “We allowed him to take that opportunity. Scott McTominay had all sorts of problems with his growth. He was growing too fast and his body had to catch up and he missed time through injury. You support them in a different way. At one point we decided to tell him he has got an extra year because he’s fretting about it all the time.

“Jesse was one of the best players all the way through in each age group. He was brave. You just have to wait for them. They are always going to grow, you just don’t know when. They have all the other attributes. The biggest thing is to be patient with them. You have to be. They are going through all sorts of stuff. “A few have a stellar rise later but you can ask who were the best players in the youngest age groups and the coaches will say Marcus, McTominay, Jesse - even at seven or eight. We had to believe that would continue. The biggest challenge for any young boy is getting through puberty: looking at themselves in the mirror, styling their hair, putting smelly stuff on and noticing girls. If they get through that and still love football they have a chance.”
''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/01/brian-mcclair-exclusive-interview-sir-alex-ferguson-made-brilliant/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on March 05, 2018, 04:49:45 PM
Watched Brighton v Arsenal last night and Arsenals performance was terrible. In recent years they have had the flair of Sanchez, Walcott's pace, Oxlade-Chamberlain's skill, the aerial ability of Giroud. All gone now. While Aubemayang persevered up front and Ozil and Wilshere showed flashes, the likes of Iwobi, Mkhitaryan, Xhaka, Chambers and Mustafi were passengers. I think time now for Arsene to announce that he will leave at the end of the season and hope to finish with Europa cup success.
Meanwhile at the other end of the table Pardew and Moyes continue to work their magic in turning decent players into rubbish teams.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 06, 2018, 03:06:00 PM
Teess at Arsenal, the time for Wenger to go is now very long overdue IMO.

I watched Burnley v Everton on Saturday - even when Burnley were behind I thought they looked the better team. Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood looked a handful ! Everton seemed to fall apart at one stage. Allardyce really hasn't done very well with them - and they've spent big this year.

Interesting to see that Man City completed 902 passes, (approx 10 per minute), a Premier League record, when beating Chelsea 1-0. Champions Chelsea have a lot to do to get back to the Top 4.

On form Liverpool will be up for the Man Utd game on Saturday - it'll be hard to get a seat in the Pub for that one !

Re David Moyes, I hope he'll still get West Ham out of trouble but Alan Pardew is on borrowed time by all accounts - there's not much sign of life at WBA atm.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 07, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Liverpool are through to the last 8 of the Champions League - Man City will follow shortly. Spurs and Man Utd could make it 4 but Chelsea have a lot do at Barca. I wonder what odds you could get on all 5 EPL teams getting through ?

Sad to see the death of Davide Astori of Fiorentina - some unexplained concerns as yet. I see N'Golo Kante collapsed in training this week but the heart Doctor found nothing wrong. Worrying for him and all. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/05/ngolo-kante-fainted-chelsea-training-manchester-city-reports

And Cheick Tiote ex-Newcastle, playing in China, collapsed and died in training last year (corrected later) aged just 30.

Damon Lathrope ex Torquay now at Woking, broke his leg very badly at the weekend and will have to retire, at 28, due to other damage to arteries and veins. That's sad.

Teess I see Sunderland lost again - though they are only 4 points from safety, a couple of wins don't come easy down there ! Torquay United are as good as down already - 9 points from safety with 9 games left.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Robert on March 07, 2018, 01:08:36 PM

And Cheick Tiote ex-Newcastle, playing in China, collapsed and died in training last week aged just 30.



Hi Roger,

My apologies for stating this (because cause alone is sad enough) but Cheick Tiote died June 5, 2017 not last week.

Robert
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on March 07, 2018, 01:09:46 PM
And Cheick Tiote ex-Newcastle, playing in China, collapsed and died in training last week aged just 30.

Tiote collapsed and died in June 2017.

I'm sure that Kante would have undergone other tests, apart from seeing a cardiologist.

Edit - Ah, I see Robert replied just before me.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 07, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
Thanks Guys, that was last year not last week then. Thanks for the correction.

It's truly shocking for these fit young Men to be struck down.

Caller - yes I'm sure they'll keep a close eye on Kante. But paroxysmic atrial fibrillation can only be spotted during the event, maybe Kante needs to be 'tabbed up' for a week so they can see what is happening. Good luck to him.



Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on March 11, 2018, 12:12:52 PM
A well-taken first goal by Marcus Rashford yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweK_C1yy2o
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 11, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
Thanks Alfie - two good goals from Rashford - watched it on PPTV Channel 36.
That clip won't play for me - copyright ? But I remember it well !

Trouble at West Ham - ''A fan ran on to the pitch, with no steward tackling him for at least a minute, and clashed with Noble, who threw him to the ground.'' Well done Mark Noble !

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/929945/West-Ham-vs-Burnley-Premier-League
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on March 13, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Jamie Carragher in trouble for gobbing at a car from which he was being mildly taunted after Liverpools defeat st Old Trafford. I have watched the video and he deserves to lose his ludicrously well paid job (>£1m pa). Even his apology came with excuses. He obviously thinks he is above being taunted and reacted disgustingly. What a moron.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 13, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Teess - Carragher would like us to believe that his spitting was 'out of character'.
That's alright then  ;)  Ref. his job - he's paid too much. Ref. losing it - that's a bit OTT for me.
But we know who he is now . . .

Alfie, I noticed that Marcus Rashford's six pack is similar to mine LOL  ;D

Southampton's Pellegrino takes the long walk . . . the 9th EPL Manager this year.
So Pardew will be No. 10 - Moyes  No. 11 ? - how many more before the season ends ?

The sublime David Silva takes Man City past poor old Stoke 2-0.
MCFC now 16 points clear of Man Utd and 25 clear of Chelsea adrift in 5th.

Michael Carrick to retire at the end of the season - only 4 starts this season. He carries 'irregular heart beat' - a la Kante ? Carrick will know by now they can usually fix that with a 'catheter ablation'.
I know a little about this - excessive stress or exercise can be the cause - maybe we'll see more of it in football. These boys work hard IMO.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on March 13, 2018, 05:25:07 PM
Imagine if instead of Carragher if had been Gary Lineker, do you think he would still be hosting MOTD?
Meanwhile in Stratford it seems the ungrateful EastEnders are not happy with the free stadium awarded to them by the LLC. Admittedly its a terrible stadium for football but then they could always build their own as many other clubs have done (Southampton, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Arsenal etc) or are in the process of (Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton). Darlington built their own 25,000 capacity stadium but did not include enough car parking. The local council restricted capacity, the club were relegated and went bust and now play their games in the National league north at he home of Darlington rugby club.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on March 13, 2018, 09:14:19 PM
Mauricio Pellegrino has been sacked by Southampton. Who next for Southampton manager? Robbie Savage suggests Mark Hughes, but how about Marco Silva? Anybody else available?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 14, 2018, 04:50:27 AM
Oh Dear. Spurs out of the Champions League and now Man Utd. The ever mysterious Mourinho starts with in-form Mata, Pogba and McTominay on the bench and the leftside loving Marcus Rashford on the right, only to concede control of midfield apparently.

Brave hopes of 5 EPL teams in the last 8 looks now more like 2 - unless Chelsea can turn over Barca !
Two then  >:(  Good Luck to Man City and Liverpool !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 15, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Mark Hughes is IN at Southampton and Good Luck to him.

Chelsea follow Man Utd and Spurs OUT of the Champions league leaving Man City and Liverpool. By the look of Barca - they'll take some stopping !
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 18, 2018, 02:29:25 PM
Just watched some highlights on PPTV36. Great.

Barca v Chelsea - some fine play from CFC but no luck. Courtois ? Messi's first goes through his legs from a very fine angle. The second blasted past him on his knees - stand up ? The third through Courtois' legs again . . . Added to that, he made a nice pass to Suarez who nearly scored.

Just 1 UK team in the semi as MCFC play L'pool. Disappointing. On a good day - either could win it but they won't be favourites by any means.

L'pool look in fine form indeed - saw their 5-0 v Watford. I admire Salah - apart from his super play, when he scores, there's no showing off. Salah seems a modest Guy - God only knows what someone will pay for him in the summer . .
Good to see Danny Ings out there briefly after his long spell of injury and being benched.

Talking of injuries, Damon Lathrope recently TUFC might not be able to walk well after his dreadful broken leg, and Ryan Higgins, 23, TUFC has had to retire due to a congenital heart problem. Good luck to them both. Tough game.

And dear old Jose Mourinho thinks he has troubles !
https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/mourinho-manchester-united-rant-chelsea-14423045
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 19, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
Not my favourite Football Manager - Mr Mourinho. Reports of a big clear out at Man Utd at the season's end - Shaw, Mata, Herrera, Smalling, Jones, Darmian, Blind. But Man Utd have actually had a much better season results wise this year - 2nd in the EPL and in the FA Cup semi-final - though Spurs will be difficult opponents even without Harry Kane .

Some interesting analysis in the DT today :-

''“Normal” also describes these latest pronouncements, at least for Mourinho. It is a pattern he has followed before in his managerial career and which helps explain, at least in part, why he has never spent more than three years in any one post. Having turned from admonishing supporters, to criticising his predecessors, to self-defence, to hitting out at his players, all in the space of one weekend, Mourinho conceded on Saturday evening that a policy of being so public in his pronouncements could backfire.

It is conceivable, he admitted, that he could “lose” the dressing room after his scatter-gun approach towards a group of multi-millionaire footballers not readily known for their acceptance of such public embarrassment
.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/18/man-utd-players-stunned-jose-mourinhos-bullying-luke-shaw/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 31, 2018, 10:49:34 AM
Sad to see that Ray Wilkins is in an induced coma after a heart attack. Good luck Ray.

I always wanted Wimbledon to ascend above MK Dons but I see both are now fighting against relegation from League 1. Great to see the new boys up there after the let down of that move to Milton Keynes.

I blinked when I saw Sunderland had walloped Derby (in the play off zone atm) 1-4. Sunderland had 40% of possession but 6 shots on target to Derby's 1. Someone I know will be happy.

TUFC get a solid win at Chester City and are just 7 points from safety with 7 games to go  :'(  They need to win ALL 7  ::)

Kieffer Moore a regular now at Barnsley scored again yesterday - good to see a Devon boy duin' good.

And back to fantasy land - Daniel Sturridge's time on the field has cost West Brom £50,000 per minute so far - that's the short term loan fee of £2 million PLUS £120K per week wages - how the hell did he wangle that ?
His injury problems persist . . .

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on March 31, 2018, 10:57:56 AM
Last night I watched the Boro lose at home to 9 man Wolves. Sunderland were on next in a rare tv appearance on Thai tv. Fully expecting another defeat I went to bed. Stunned to see the result fhis morning. Lets see if they can follow it up with a home win on Monday.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on March 31, 2018, 08:51:58 PM
Just watched Palace v L'Pool. Love Palace - S. London Man - worked at Crown Graphic Forest Hill nearby - favourite ever footballer Don Rogers played for them  ;D 

Palace did really well IMO against a very strong side. L'Pool came back from 1-0 to 1-2 - but IMO Palace were robbed of a penalty near the end - a shirt pull  ???

Just MO but I think any shirt pull, during - or after the game if clear on TV - should be a 'Yellow'. And in the penalty area, a 'Red'.
Imposed afterwards. Right on.

That'd stop it  :-[

The worst and clearest form of cheating  . . . . .



Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on March 31, 2018, 09:57:36 PM
Yet van Dijk also had his shirt pulled in the box.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 01, 2018, 08:28:36 AM
Teess - there lies the problem. Blatant cheating - it's rife. The Players pull the shirt 'blind side' from the Ref so he can't see it. IMO, the best way to eliminate shirt pulling, is to impose yellows and reds after the game, where it's clearly caught on camera.

That'll stop it maybe  ::) The Players would then have to find some more football skills to defend . . . .



Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on April 01, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
Teess - there lies the problem. Blatant cheating - it's rife. The Players pull the shirt 'blind side' from the Ref so he can't see it. IMO, the best way to eliminate shirt pulling, is to impose yellows and reds after the game, where it's clearly caught on camera.

Shirt pulling and holding has been part of the game since time immemorial! Even at my lowly level as a player it happened.

But if seen referees dealt with it. As a referee I did the same. Not sure why the current crop seem so reluctant to do so, even when it's clearly visible to the officials.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 01, 2018, 11:52:45 AM
Referees shouldn't tolerate it, I agree. And where the Ref has missed a pull and it's spotted on camera - give a yellow card later  8)  That'll stop it.

So much twisting and turning these days, I think pulling can be hard to spot. But IMO it should be an automatic yellow. ATB
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on April 01, 2018, 12:19:30 PM
Maybe more controversial was the failure to send off Sadio Mane. Booked for diving already he deliberately handled the ball but escaped punishment and was rapidly substituted. On the supposed dive he was clipped but the whistle didn't blow so he went down. That idiot Clive Allen on commentary watched the replay which clearly showed contact then claimed there was no contact to justify his first impression.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 01, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
Just seen that Sadio Mane bit Teess. Agreed. The second time he dived then grabbed the ball to try and suggest he'd been 'fouled'. A nasty bit of cheating. Should've been off  8)

Some bits of poor refereeing yesterday in other games too.

I noticed Everton's impressive back Five - Pickford, Coleman, Jagielka, Keane and Baines. But oh dear. The team also has Rooney, Schneiderlin, Walcott etc. but they are struggling. After spending big last year. Some of these Guys look near to sell by date, so Big Sam has a big task this close season.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on April 02, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
I see Pardew has gone from West Brom after 8 successive defeats. How do these consistent failures keep getting jobs? Mark Hughes is now being talked about as possibly becoming the first manager to achieve relegation with 2 different clubs in the same season.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 02, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
We saw that one coming  ;)

Pleased to see my ole' TUFC mucker Darren Moore, their first team Coach and old WBA favourite, has been put in charge atm. Saw Darren playing as a solid 18 year old with legs like oak trees, similar to Mathew Elliott who was also at TUFC when a youngster.

Darren is a decent Guy with a lot about him, but I doubt he'll be given the job in the longer term . .



 
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: jivvy on April 05, 2018, 07:29:14 PM

Champions League - Quarter-finals - 1st Leg
Liverpool 3-0 Man City

Not seen Scousers this happy over 1 leg since Paul McCartney met Heather Mills
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 05, 2018, 08:21:49 PM
Jivvy that's wicked  :D ATB
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Alfie on April 13, 2018, 05:10:14 PM
I read today that Sean Dyche has said his team are "not the real deal". I really don't understand why a manager would say that of his team, especially when his team are 7th in the table and look like they'll be staying there for the remainder of the season. I reckon it will just demotivate his players. The Huddersfield manager said exactly the same thing about his team earlier in the season and look what has happened to them since. Everyone knows that professional football players are sensitive softies at heart and really don't need insensitive comments like that from their own managers. Bonkers.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 13, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
Alfie I agree 100%. Everyone can have a bad day or make a mistake - but what a howler ! Burnley have done so well this season.
I hope Sean Dyche squares it with his Players soon.

Some interesting results this last week or so. Man City manage to lose twice to L'Pool in the Champions League AND lose to Man Utd after being two up ! Earlier this season, the L'Pool defence was leaking goals and being heavily criticised - Virgil Van Dijk made a slow start but now he looks like an excellent signing and L'Pool are solid at the back. And sorry to say, Southampton have slipped badly since Van Dijk left.

In the Champions League, Juventus pull back a 3 goal deficit before Real Madrid scrape through with a penalty. And Roma knock out the mighty Barca after losing the first leg 4-1. Amazing.

Doctors told Damon Lathrope, recently of TUFC, that they might need to amputate his leg after a recent horrendous break. But he's come through fortunately. He's just 28. Career over. TUFC collected about £2,000 for him and his new Club Woking have helped too. Well done them but it looks strange when the EPL has Players rumoured to be on £500,000 a week, never mind Gordon Taylor's fat cat salary at the PFA.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ive-defied-odds-keep-leg-14524333
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 18, 2018, 07:32:16 AM
PSG know how to seal a Title in style - beating Champions Monaco 7-1  ;D  That's the way to do it !

Congrats to the Wanderer's TW - it'll be good to see them back in the EPL next season and they have the connections to make some good signings  ;)

Scott Fenwick of Chelmsford City, score two successive hat tricks - ALL penalties. I suspect that's a first. Amazing to get 6 penalties a season never mind in 2 games - he scored 'em all. One was on his Birthday  :D

Has Marcus Alonso escaped retrospective punishment ? Last week against valiant Southampton, he was seen dancing backwards with the ball nowhere near, stamping on Shane Long's calf. Nasty sod. Ban him for a month in my book   >:( 

Ever green Crouchie scores at one end for Stoke with ever injured Andy Carrol scoring at the other for the 'Ammers. Both tipped as a Conte signing in the mid season window - I suspect Conte was just trying to wind up his Bosses. IMO good decision to sign Olivier Giroud instead.

Jose Mourinho rumoured to get rid off Pogba and Sanchez asap - I thought Sanchez was 100% brilliant against Man City. JM is flakey as ever . . . .
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: caller on April 19, 2018, 01:34:28 PM
Alfie I agree 100%. Everyone can have a bad day or make a mistake - but what a howler ! Burnley have done so well this season.
I hope Sean Dyche squares it with his Players soon.

Obviously didn't affect them too much as they went on to secure their 5th successive win. I really doubt one comment made to the media will undo 5 years of good work and how much those players have benefitted from Dyche's astute management.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 20, 2018, 05:29:48 PM
Arsene Wenger has, as expected, announced he will be leaving at the end of this season. Well done him - he assembled some amazing teams. I hope he can RELAX now and spend and enjoy a bit of ALL that money.

Caller agreed - then Burnley couldn't hold Chelsea last night but 5 in a row before that  ;D  Players seem OK with Dyche. On the Scancell BB I frequent, we have a poster called 'Ray Pointer'. We recalled the team of that era and got, Blacklaw, Angus, Elder, Adamson, Robson, Miller, Connelly, McIlroy, Lochead, Pointer, Harris. (I'm not sure that's spot on  ;) )

Re. bloomers - Everton conducting a survey as to what they think of Big Sam's performance as Manager. Strewth  :o
Anyway Everton have now withdrawn the idea and apologised.
A Reporter asked Sam how HE would rate his own performance - the response was 'Piss Off' and then he laughed and said, 11 out of 10 ;)

Michael Carrick away on England duty some time past, asked not to be played due to 'depression'. Serious issue and I'm not dismissing it. Just observing most England fans no doubt had depression too.
Billy Kee of Accrington, just elected to the PFA team of the year for League 2, has talked recently of severe depression. Good little striker, ex TUFC, wishing him and Carrick well.

Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on April 20, 2018, 06:13:43 PM
My team Sunderland issued an amazing stat this week. The lead provider of goal assists over the last 3 seasons is Adam Johnson who has spent the last two years in jail.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on April 20, 2018, 06:23:22 PM
Seriously Teess ?? I'm guessing AJ will be old to play when he gets out.  :-X
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on April 20, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Posted on Twitter by the Sunderland Echo. He is due out this year and is now 30. His difficulty will be in finding a club that will employ him. Maybe the Swatcats?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 01, 2018, 07:00:46 AM
Well Teess just to commiserate. Sorry to see Chris Coleman lost his job - he was safe in Wales. And sorry to see Sunderland down.

On the bright side, I see Ellis Short has taken over the £140 million of loans from an 'American Company' so the Black Cats will avoid £130,000 a week of interest payments. The article also says the loans have been 'written off' which is different. Unclear.

The Club has been losing £500K per week so that's now £370K a week less what they can save by reorganising. The 'missing' Jack Rodwell is £70K a week of that.

Parachute payments will help - I expect to see Sunderland around the top of League 1 next season. Good luck.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43950121
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on May 01, 2018, 08:39:51 PM
We finished bottom of the league and though Coleman seems a decent bloke his tenure was a failure. When compared to clubs like Burton who operate at a fraction of the Sunderland cost he has not significantly improved the team. Recruitment over the past 5 seasons has been abysmal apart from the Big Sam signings (Kone, Khazri and Kirchhoff). 1 year ago we had Pickford, Mannone and Pantilimon as our goalies, now we have Camp, Steele and Ruiter all of whom have been found wanting. The new boss needs to rebuild the squad ( we will lose 7 loan players and 4 out of contract players). Sadly Rodwell remains, Ndong will return from Watford where he never got a game, Khazri and Djilobodji will return from France or be sold. Paddy McNair and Duncan Watmore are 2 young players who are better than league 1 but we need to retain them. Rodwell needs to be reintegrated into the team, possibly as a centre half to replace O'Shea, or to be removed. It's a big job.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 03, 2018, 04:28:52 PM
Teess last year you had better Goalies that's for sure !

On that subject, I saw an article discussing the 3 that should be in the World Cup squad. Pickford and Butland seem certain to go but I saw an article suggesting that Joe Hart, West Ham's reserve goalie, should go too because of his experience in World Cups. I couldn't disagree more.

There may be other prominent candidates for the 3rd spot - but I'm just reflecting on Michael Owen's inclusion in 1998 at the age of 18. Christian Walton of Brighton on loan at Wigan, aged 22, has played 30 games despite having broken a leg this season, saved a penalty against Man City in the Cup and recorded 17 clean sheets. He has played for England Under 19, 20 and 21. Better to take him than Joe Hart IMO - after all, Joe Hart has no good World Cup experience to pass on, does he ?  ::)
Walton might gain some.

Steven Gerrard may make a Football Manager one day, but I don't know much about his 'man management' ability ? But to choose Rangers who are in chaos and subservient to Celtic and maybe Aberdeen - 'on your own head be it' Steven. He's rich, established with his Family in Liverpool and still earning a King's ransom no doubt . . . Wait for something maybe not better but more likely to bring you a happy ending  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on May 03, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
Nick Pope at Burnley would be my choice as number 3 keeper. In fact I would rate him on a par with Butland. Other players who should not go would be Walcott, Wilshere, Alexander-Arnold, Winks, Rose and Welbeck.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Robert on May 03, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
The title of this topic is Pemier League and other football chat 2017/2018 so I did wonder if I could write my comments here. So I decided to write my frustations here, hope you do not mind.

This because that the money now involved in PL due to tv sponsoring is so high it has a huge impact on the Dutch football competition. Even a club like WBA gets more money from tv then the majority of all Dutch teams together. The English Premier clubs really think the Netherlands are one of the best places to shop. Look at Tottenham for instance. At present 6 former Dutch League players now at this club: Michel Vorm (gk), Toby Alderweireld (Ajax), Jan Vertonghen (Ajax), Christian Eriksen (Ajax), Moussa Dembele, Davindson Sanchez (Ajax). Even one - Vincent Janssen - now on loan in Turkey. Former Dutch youth players Dilrosun (former Ajax now Hertha) and Walyan (former Ajax now  PSV) were bought when they were around 16. Look at all the other former Dutch league players now in PL like Virgel van Dijk, Blind (Ajax), van der Hoorn (Ajax), Fer, Wijnaldum, Narsingh, Propper, DelaParra etc. PL teams do like the way the Dutch teams educate players and now thinking buying Kluivert (Ajax 18 years) and DeLigt (Ajax 18 years)

The Champions Leagae is very predictable now because it is not champions against champions. For a small country like the Netherlands it is impossible to win the Champions League anymore. We even have to play pre-rounds because we do not make enough points, if you allow first 4 teams from one country that country obviously will earn more points. For me the whole structure is based on money making only, it will shoot itself in the foot one day or another. Think I can predict 6 of the 8 teams who will be in the semi-finals. Where are the suprises? The fans of the usual teams will be happy of course but what about the fans of the other teams? Football is for fans but some teams buy and buy and have so many contract players that for me it is ridicilous.

Where are the days that Dutch teams could win Europa cup and Champion League? Started in 1970 with Feyenoord, then 1971, 1972 and 1973 Ajax. In 1988 PSV won and in 1995 Ajax won CL.

For me the system is sick to the bones but hey I am Dutch and not British  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on May 03, 2018, 08:24:44 PM
All true Robert and of course the money affects even those big leagues. Juventus and Bayern Munich always are champions, in Spain it is Barcelona or Real Madrid, in France it is PSG. Only in England is there real competition and that is limited to 4 or 5 clubs. Whatever happened to financial fair play?
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 04, 2018, 09:49:02 AM
Teess - I agree that Nick Pope would be a great choice for 3rd keeper.

Robert - you are SO polite  ;D  That was a great post and you highlight something real. Unfortunately we have already traveled the path - if a 'Maximum Wage' had been brought in 10 - 15 years ago, the game across Europe would IMO, be in a much better state - surely £50,000 a week would have been enough for the top players now - why does the game have to create new 'oil sheikhs' partly at the expense of ordinary fans who cannot afford to watch games any more ? Imagine taking 3 sons to watch Arsenal - £300. No way  ???

You can be consoled - Holland can usually put out a very competitive International side, despite all these problems. But at Club level, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV etc. can only hope that a multi-billionaire might adopt them one day, to give a MCFC or PSG type 'resurrection'. Failing that, I fear that as you say, your greatest Clubs will not normally complete with the Giants in Spain, Italy, Germany, France and the EPL. Belgium suffers similarly to Holland I think.

Teess - whilst the 'Maximum Wage' horse has long bolted, I agree with you - 'Financial Fair Play' seems almost totally ineffective. Transfer fees and wages are running riot and roughshod over all decency in the game IMO.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 09, 2018, 05:43:35 AM
''Brighton & Hove Albion goalkeeper Christian Walton had a weekend to cherish, as the 22-year-old picked up the Sky Bet League One Golden Glove award, as well as securing the league title with Wigan Athletic on Saturday evening. The shot-stopper kept his 19th clean sheet of the season as the Latics won 1-0 at Doncaster Rovers to pip Blackburn Rovers to the League One trophy after 46 games of the season. Walton kept two more clean sheets than closest rival David Raya of Blackburn, despite playing 14 less games than his opposing number - meaning the goalkeeper kept an outstanding 19 shutouts in 31 matches.''

And this is despite suffering a broken leg. Well done him ! It's fair to mention that Wigan are known to have some excellent defenders. But one to watch.

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/2018/may/league-winner-walton-wins-golden-glove-award/
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 10, 2018, 06:40:12 AM
Important results last night - Chelsea having failed to beat Huddersfield at home, will need to win at Newcastle to make the top 4, by more than 15 goals on Saturday, IF Liverpool get a point against Brighton.

Do we get another Champions League place IF Liverpool win ?

Huddersfield's point in effect puts Swansea down - they'll need a 9 goal win against Stoke, (that's possible), to catch Southampton IF they lose their game v MCFC.

So it's Swansea, WBA and Stoke gone  :-X

I got only one right in this August post :-

''From Candidates for relegation - many will be looking at newcomers Huddersfield and Brighton whilst among incumbents, I reckon Swansea City's time in the EPL may be up.''

Gonna miss the footie after Saturday. ATB
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: jivvy on May 10, 2018, 08:15:58 AM

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Gonna miss the footie after Saturday. ATB

Final games all on Sunday 13th---3pm kick off
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Robert on May 10, 2018, 06:38:58 PM
5 English PL teams in CL while Dutch champion has to play 4 matches and win to get to CL? Hmmm something not quite in balance IMHO  ;D ;D ;D.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on May 10, 2018, 07:14:19 PM
The only way England can get 5 teams in in next season's CL is for Chelsea to finish 4th (unlikely) and Liverpool to beat Real.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 16, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
There's gratitude - Big Sam Allardyce, appointed in November, drags a struggling Everton side up to 8th and the supporters don't want him - they preferred the drop zone  ;)  Everton have to shell out £6 million to sack him !! Marco Silva ex Watford is tipped . . .

I heard David Moyes talking on the radio and he sounded very confident - but the Fans want him out  :o  West Ham have fought their way to 9 points clear of the drop zone.   

Arsene Wenger is gone and Mikel Arteta is 'favourite' to replace him. It seems unlikely that Arsenal will be back in contention for the Top 4 places next year - so how will the Fans feel if it doesn't go well ? I doubt that Arteta can fill Wenger's shoes. Chris Hughton, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe might be better ?

I see Joe Hart blaming Moyes for his not being selected for the World Cup squad - Hart's poor form to blame surely. (Back to MCFC for him ?)

Man City's goal difference is 112 goals more positive than Stoke City's  :o

Fulham or Villa to join Wolves and Cardiff in the EPL next season.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Roger on May 16, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
Allardyce has been sacked. As a Manager Big Sam has never been relegated from the EPL yet his mooted replacement - Marco Silva - was relegated with Hull City last year  ??? 
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Teessider on May 17, 2018, 05:57:41 PM
Allardyce, Coleman and Moyes now all out of work but Allardyce sitting on the considerable compensation of his last 3 pay offs. Arsenal, West Ham, Everton and Sunderland among the clubs looking for a new manager. Arteta linked with Arsenal, Garcia with Everton, IBenitez, Pelldgrino with West Ham and Chris Wilder? with Sunderland.
Meanwhile no England place for Wilshere or Shelvey. Personally I think Shelvey may have been worthy of inclusion at the expense of Ashley Young.
Title: Re: Premier League and other football chat 2017/8
Post by: Robert on April 17, 2019, 12:01:07 PM
Juventus - Ajax: 1 -2 the fairy tale continues..... ;D ;D ;D