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Title: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 15, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
3 killed in bus-truck collision (http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/3-killed-bus-truck-collision/)

Three people, including one girl, were killed and about 50 others, most of them are students, were injured when a bus in which they were travelling on a sightseeing trip collided with a pickup truck and skidded out of the road in Dan Khun Thod district of Nakhon Ratchasima on Wednesday (Nov 15).

Thai PBS full report (http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/3-killed-bus-truck-collision/)





See also:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWvdm_yYfhQ
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Hector on November 16, 2017, 05:54:20 AM
Sad!  I came back from Bkk yesterday afternoon/evening and came through a number of heavy storms.  As usual, drivers were speeding past me and we must have seen about 5 or 6 accidents/vehicles in the ditch.  A major one, which I didn't see, but was held up by for an hour was near the traffic lights in Joho just after where the bypass meets Route 2 again.  Must have been a bad one, but there was only one mangled pick-up in the centre by the time we got there.  Lots of ambulances running around.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 16, 2017, 07:19:11 AM
collided with a pickup truck and skidded out of the road

A surveillance cam recording of the accident is out. It would seem the bus driver did all by himself, but it's not clear enough.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZzJGWwPDyU
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2017, 07:33:21 AM
It was a bus on a school trip. Poor kids. What an end to their day.

Makes you think. My daughter went on a school trip this week. Came home safely, thank goodness. We put our trust in people like bus drivers (and many other people, like barbers with razor blades at our throats) almost daily. You never know what might happen.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 16, 2017, 09:15:49 AM
It was a bus on a school trip.

According to the news they had just visited Wat Ban Rai, we mentioned about it quickly here (http://korat-farang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3173.msg62861#msg62861).
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 17, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has expressed his sympathy to the families of students killed and injured in a road crash in Nakhon Ratchasima Province. He has instructed the Ministry of Education (MoE) to find measures to regulate drivers and vehicles used for transporting students. (source (https://aecnewstoday.com/2017/thailand-english-language-news-for-november-17-hd-video/#axzz4yhYrrHtC))
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: dam12641 on November 17, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Predictable response from our glorious leader - call for more regulation, that's what politicians do.
Surely there must be some sort of regulations for bus drivers already so just correct/improve the existing system if possible instead of bringing in another set of regulations and another layer of bureaucracy. No easy solution I guess.

But why is it that Thailand's roads are so dangerous? Are they not the worst (per head of pop) in the world? (or if not the worst, then close to it).
Quite surprising really because Thailand's roads and general driving standards don't seem too bad to me - when compared to other 3rd world countries.
In addition to Thailand I only have experience of India (lived there for 2yrs) and comparing Thailand to Indian driving, Thailand comes out way ahead.
Indian driving standards are so bad that there is no way I ever considered driving there myself whereas in Thailand I have little to no worries.
So why do the Thai accident stats come out so badly?
Other similar countries under-report their accident figures?
Drinking culture in Thailand?
Too many unmarked crossroads? (these always feature heavily in any compilation of accidents)
No idea really. Anyone have any views?

Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 18, 2017, 07:59:59 AM
But why is it that Thailand's roads are so dangerous?

Maybe this opinion from today's Bangkok Post will partially answer your question:

Don't only blame drivers for road tragedies - Wasant Techawongtham, Bangkok Post 18.11.2017 (https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/1362503/dont-only-blame-drivers-for-road-tragedies)


It gives details about what happened in Dan Khun Tod, too:

Last Wednesday, a double-decker coach carrying more than 50 young students and their teachers hit a pickup truck that was waiting to make a right turn at a T-junction.

The accident occurred on a stretch of highway in Dan Khun Thot district of Nakhon Ratchasima that was recently expanded from two to four lanes.There are no traffic lights at the junction.The section of road on which the coach was travelling was downhill, so the momentum of the speeding vehicle increased the gravity.

Apparently, the front of the pickup truck poked too far into the oncoming lane.

The impact when the coach hit the truck sent the double decker careening over the median, cutting across the opposite lane and ending up in a ditch.



The article's conclusion:

The girl on that coach would not have died if traffic lights and warning signs were there. Many accidents could be avoided if road safety officials pay ­attention to details when building or repairing roads.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: caller on November 18, 2017, 09:52:58 AM
I also read the local mayor or whoever, had said there had been several accidents at that junction since the road widening and he would now make it a priority to get new lights installed. How complacent is that? No consideration of cause and effect and no thought whatever of personal responsibility.

I now regard Thailand in many instances as a lawless society - not as in gangs going around terrorising people - but for the example we have here and the many obvious things that should have taken place to ensure this new stretch of road was actually safe before being opened to the general public.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Roger on November 18, 2017, 10:07:17 AM
Anton - quoting from the BKK post article - ''Apparently, the front of the pickup truck poked too far into the oncoming lane.'' Isn't that moment of careless driving, the direct cause of the accident ?
So whilst traffic lights and warning signs might have been of help - careless driving might still have caused an accident ?

Dam12641 - interesting to see your views on Thai driving - have a look at 'Motors and Motoring' - 'The Falang view of Thai driving' in April. Good to see you posting !

Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 18, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
Anton - quoting from the BKK post article - ''Apparently, the front of the pickup truck poked too far into the oncoming lane.'' Isn't that moment of careless driving, the direct cause of the accident ?

Why do you ask me? Didn't I indicate the source of the article well enough? Ask Wasant Techawongtham if you want to ask somebody. Or make a general remark. No need to address me in particular, I wasn't waiting for your comment, I didn't post that article just for Sir Roger to honour me with his attention  ::)
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
Quote
Apparently, the front of the pickup truck poked too far into the oncoming lane.

''Apparently, the front of the pickup truck poked too far into the oncoming lane.'' Isn't that moment of careless driving, the direct cause of the accident ?

I don't know the specifics about that particular turning point but I often travel on Mitrapap Road and there are many junctions where it is difficult or impossible for vehicles to not stick out of one lane or the other (back or front). This is especially so for buses. One example is near the Nava Nakorn industrial area. The road designs could be improved greatly, as could many other things if "deep thinking" became popular in Thailand.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: happylarry on November 18, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
Regardless of who stated that the fault was with the road design or the pick up front sticking out....to my mind the only person that was in control of the bus was the bus driver so the fault has to be laid firmly at his feet. He should have been fully aware of the road conditions and his lane being blocked and should have been driving accordingly so however the authorities try to avert the blame it has to be the driver in this particular case.
HL
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2017, 03:22:29 PM
Of course the driver has responsibility for the bus, HL, but you can't totally dismiss the part played by poor road design and other road users in road traffic accidents. There will always be driver error but errors in road design can and should be either eliminated or greatly reduced.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: happylarry on November 18, 2017, 03:33:54 PM
Alfie there can be no argument about what you say, but, that is generalising.....if we are talking about a specific accident then where ever it took place then the driver should be driving accordingly to the conditions and as he obviouslly wasnt then its his fault alone, unless the pick up involved was still moving and drove into the bus forcing him to swerve.
One interesting point is the bus veered off to the right and across the other carriageway, but if he were taking avoiding action to miss the pickup in the central lane then you would assume he would have pulled to the left to go past, would you not, so maybe there is more to this accident tnah they are letting on.
HL
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on November 18, 2017, 03:49:42 PM
They build roads that are invitations to speeding without the safety measures that go with it. They allow all kind of vehicles in all kind of conditions on the same road. Combine that with drivers without a license, or with a purchased license; drivers drunk; drivers on the phone; drivers who are out only to show off their retouched engine; passengers sitting or standing anywhere on the vehicle... You obtain the deadly cocktail that makes Thailand's roads so dangerous.


if he were taking avoiding action to miss the pickup in the central lane

No, from what I understood the pick-up was coming in from a side road on the left, intending to turn right into the other carriageway:

Last Wednesday, a double-decker coach carrying more than 50 young students and their teachers hit a pickup truck that was waiting to make a right turn at a T-junction.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: happylarry on November 18, 2017, 04:15:28 PM
Thank you Anton, i was looking at the T junction the wrong way,yes you are correct.
HL
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on December 01, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
But why is it that Thailand's roads are so dangerous?

According to this report (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30332967) in today's The Nation, Phuket province is on a good path in reducing road accidents:

Phuket has won praise from health and safety agencies for halving the number of road accidents taking place there in the decade ending in 2016.

In the decade previous, 1997-2006, Phuket was among Thailand’s five worst provinces in terms of death and injury resulting from road accidents.

The dramatic reduction in accidents and casualties has been credited to a focus on accident-prone locations (where crashes were cut by 30 per cent), strict law enforcement using speed guns, breathalysers and cameras at intersections (leading to 10 times more drunk drivers arrested in 2016), and an efficient network of multidisciplinary emergency response teams.
(source (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30332967))
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on December 01, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
They allow all kind of vehicles in all kind of conditions on the same road.

Including those leaking out all of their oil on the road, as happened last night downtown Korat according to this news report. A 200 m tract of Thao Sura Rd had to be closed for cleaning it up after several small accidents occurred, luckily without any fatality. This is near the sharp bend where you take off to Wat Sala Loi (http://korat-farang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8410.msg62934#msg62934): that sharp turn is visible in the background.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vywLcGKa6n8
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on December 13, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
Thailand tops deadly roads list (http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2017/12/thailand-tops-deadly-roads-list/)

BANGKOK, 13 December 2017:  A Thailand foundation battling to reduce road fatalities has called on the government to enforce road safety laws in the lead-up to Christmas and New Year holidays.

Thailand’s Don’t Drink and Drive Foundation, director general, Thaejing Siripanit, told a seminar at the weekend that around 22,000 Thais will die on the roads in 2017 an average of 60 per day, but the daily toll will peak during the New Year holiday.

The foundation wants the government to introduce regulations forcing vehicle owners to install dash cam to record driving habits and bear witness to accidents, as well as shaming dangerous drivers.

Enforcing laws that are already on the books was cited as a priority to reduce deaths. Drunk driving and speeding are the two top causes for Thailand’s shameful road safety statistics. Police are failing to crackdown on speeding and drunk driving, while in the provinces it is common to see, three people on a motorcycle none of them wearing helmets.

The foundation quoted a November 13 World Atlas report on global road fatalities, worldwide, that claimed the latest research placed Thailand top of a 30-country road death list.

But World Atlas was simply borrowing figures from earlier research in 2013 released by the World Health Organisation that clearly placed Thailand as the deadliest spot on earth for road deaths.

WHO’s 2013 figures indicate Thailand topped the list with a 36.2 deaths per 100,000 followed by Malawi with a deadly score of 35.

TTR Weekly full report (http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2017/12/thailand-tops-deadly-roads-list/)
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on December 23, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Another bus accident on the same road, I believe, i.e. Road 201 (Sikhio-Chaiyaphum). This however in Chaiyaphum province, involving a bus with Nakhon Ratchasima plates. No fatalities but at least one seriously injured in the pick-up truck from what I understand. Video uploaded today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F071b7hH5J4


Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Anton on September 19, 2018, 11:23:36 PM
But World Atlas was simply borrowing figures from earlier research in 2013 released by the World Health Organisation that clearly placed Thailand as the deadliest spot on earth for road deaths.

And it seems that, inside Thailand, the deadliest province for road deaths is... Nakhon Ratchasima! At least according to a police officer who intervened today in a road-safety awareness meeting at The Mall Korat. So, it that's true, here in Korat we are living in the deadliest spot for road deaths in the world.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Pompui on September 20, 2018, 04:16:44 AM
But World Atlas was simply borrowing figures from earlier research in 2013 released by the World Health Organisation that clearly placed Thailand as the deadliest spot on earth for road deaths.

And it seems that, inside Thailand, the deadliest province for road deaths is... Nakhon Ratchasima! At least according to a police officer who intervened today in a road-safety awareness meeting at The Mall Korat. So, it that's true, here in Korat we are living in the deadliest spot for road deaths in the world.

Maybe.It is, supposedly, the second biggest province by population in Thailand though and the traffic in Bangkok is so slow that you don't get high speed accidents. It's also the gateway to Isan, so all the traffic funnels through Korat.
Title: Re: Bus accident in Dan Khun Tod
Post by: Coolkorat on September 20, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
So, if that's true, here in Korat we are living in the deadliest spot for road deaths in the world.

Difficult to know if Korat has that dubious distinction, but whether 100% correct or not we all know Korat does have awful road injury and deaths. I stayed in a condo development close to Maharat Hospital, and the ambulances were arriving in a convoy at certain times of the day.