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When the revolution comes - and it ain't gonna be long by the look of it . . .

One of the first for the chop is Mr Taylor - Football Administration is still a shambles - wherever you look ! Mr T has done 40 years now !

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/17/gordon-taylor-football-fattest-cat-pfa

This is what I expected. The five will secure modifications to back stop, parliament will vote it through. What problem

Humble apologies to Michael Gove . . . . Gang of five threatening to resign if Mrs May doesn't go back to Brussels : Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling, Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox    That is a powerful team - Mrs May will lose credibility IF they do resign.

History in the making - just look at the front page from the DT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/

Copied from the DX :-

''THE PRIME Minister has been given an extraordinary ultimatum by five Cabinet Ministers, who are threatening to resign within two weeks unless Theresa May makes three fundamental changes to her Brexit deal with the EU.

The Telegraph reports the five Cabinet Ministers are coordinating efforts to reopen Brexit negotiations, and will meet over the next couple of days to finalise their demands. The group consists of Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling, Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox. Mr Gove and Ms Mordaunt had been considering their positions over the past 24 hours, but appear to have decided not to remain in Government for the time being.

The five key Ministers are demanding the UK should be able to withdraw from any Brexit backstop unilaterally, without requiring the EU’s consent, according to the paper.''

Hi TW. I agree that Mrs May has shown incredible dedication - I heard her questioned in Parliament and she stood up well under great pressure. She inherited the most poisoned of chalice and easy to see why David Cameron bailed out. A great effort and I think Mrs May will always be respected for it.

You may be right that the 'no deal' option will be avoided somehow.

As for Mrs May's tactics in negotiation - misguided from the start. Now we are tied to the EU forever unless they agree to let us go - experience suggests that EU cooperation in future cannot be relied upon. Tweaking the 'backstop' is not enough - we need to be able to leave at some point whether the EU agree or not.

Never mind - you may well be right - I just don't see it that way. ATB

I heard this a few days ago - the death penalty has been proposed for the 'suspects' so far accused - what if the Crown Prince himself is found to be involved ?

The Guardian today :-

''The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, the Washington Post has reported. The Post said US officials expressed high confidence in the CIA assessment, which contradicts Saudi government assertions that he was not involved. It is the strongest assessment to date linking Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler to the killing, and complicates Donald Trump’s efforts to safeguard US ties with one of the closest American allies in the region.''

''Earlier this week Saudi Arabia said it would pursue the death penalty for five suspects charged with ordering and carrying out the killing.''

Whoops ! Reports of Saudi anger because each successive story is rejected and investigated causing another version to emerge. Erdogan of Turkey has the screws full on. The Saudis are used to having their own way.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/16/cia-determines-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-journalists-killing-washington-post

Teresa May has done an admirable job considering the incredible difficulties that have been presented to her.

The draft proposal seems a pretty good deal for the UK to me – (probably better than the UK deserves) and once MPs have actually read the 350 odd pages and stop the knee jerk reactions, calm will resume and with a few minor tweaks pertaining to the NI backstop, parliament will give it the green light.

The EU have not written off “minor changes” to the proposal – they will be negotiated.

The old adage of “follow the money” is applicable here. Rich people and those in charge will not allow a "no deal" situation to develop.

The simple problem with 'fart' is that unless you're in the inner circle, you don't actually know who you are talking to because of the use of multi ID's, so I lurked but never joined.

Just MHO - disappointed to see that Michael Gove didn't resign.

As this has now panned out, I think this is a good thing.

The vote of no confidence should be withdrawn, stopped or whatever - for now.

The 5 powerful leave cabinet members that have stayed in cabinet, including Gove, are basically putting May on notice to renegotiate the backstop and terms of leaving before the vote in Parliament, or else. If they walk, she will have no option but to stand aside, she will simply have no authority left if that happens. The EU are already making mutterings about what has been agreed can't be changed, but they are realists and will have little choice, as any draft agreement that doesn't get through Parliament, cannot be ratified as an agreement.

May's instransigence and unwillingness to listen to others, is a strength and weakness, depending on how wisely she uses it, in this instance, it might be the only way for her and her plans - to survive.

Just MHO - disappointed to see that Michael Gove didn't resign. I don't think I'd be alone in thinking that Gove puts personal ambition above all else. He'll be closer to the top of the tree now, if May goes, than he would have been amongst theBrexiteers 

Mrs May might survive a 'no confidence' vote but there seems no way this getting through Parliament. Does there ?

Ratsima - didn't realise that you'd been around so long . . . 
Derek - you too. And isn't JohnnieF the 'Klaus' you mention ?
Probably.

I've been here since 2002

There's a thread going back years on view KFart atm - 2009 - some odd posts but JF resurrected the thread for this yesterday :-

''Koratfart.com is still there, but a decision should be made anytime soon, how or whether things go on.''

I'd be really sad to see KFart close after all the effort. But Derek, I'll be staying here as this is by and large a friendly Forum - but no reason you shouldn't have a go at being the new 'Thaiga' yourself 

Thanks, but no thanks. I've told you before I only post about Korat and its environs

There, as here, ''if you don't use it, you lose it'.  One day . . .