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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 04:03:23 PM »

It's shocking, but remember that York Minster and Hampton Court burned in the 1980's, Windsor Castle in the 1990's and Cutty Sark in the 2000's. Dresden rebuilt the Frauenkirche. With such an iconic building of international importance, it will rebuilt but it may take decades.
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 07:59:07 AM »

Good reminder CK. I see that Euro 700 million has already been promised for the restoration. I'd be inclined to leave it to the Church of Rome to take responsibility if their insurance was not adequate.

A wonderful building lost for now but an amazing amount was saved. The worst aspect is giving Macron the opportunity to puff up. Maybe HQ in Rome won't be able to offer too much help, having no doubt made provisions of paralysing magnitude, to cover tens of thousands of pending claims for sexual abuse of children by RC Priests around the World.

Fortunately, Paris still has this :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacr%C3%A9-C%C5%93ur%2C_Paris
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 02:18:47 PM »

A few interesting points I think: first, Macron has said ND will be restored to a 'more beautiful state' in 5 years.   Hmmmm. Most pundits agree with CK that it will take decades.  Also no assessment has yet been made so it is far to early to make predictions like this.  Secondly, ND belongs to The French Government and not the church - RC or otherwise, so whereas Rome may well be intensely interested, the Vatican can't really interfere.
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 03:33:16 PM »

Hector - ''ND belongs to The French Government''.

I stand corrected - thanks for that  :-\
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 05:00:24 PM »

That's very interesting Hector. Are some historic buildings effectively uninsurable and therefore effectively underwritten by the state, or is this something unique to Paris/ France?

There are not enough stonemasons to be able to rebuild in five years; they need to quarry the stone as well!
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2019, 09:17:31 AM »

Charles Bremner in the Times:-

''Lovers of Notre Dame deplored the politics and bureaucracy that have held up the much-needed restoration of the most visited monument in Europe. “The means were not provided to maintain it,” said Marie-Claude Gauvard, a medieval historian and author of a book on the great Gothic cathedral. “The renovation work was finally started and it was high time, and perhaps a bit late,” she added. As property of the state, like all French churches since 1905, the cathedral has been deprived of more than minimum government funding to cope with crumbling stone, a collapsing roof and rotting gargoyles. Funds for repairs have been arriving belatedly, thanks to a campaign over the past year by the Catholic Church to raise €150 million from sponsors in the US and elsewhere.

Work was held up because renovation came under the orders of too many institutions, including the French state, Paris city council, the ministry of historic monuments and the Catholic archdiocese of Paris, said Ms Gauvard.Stéphane Bern, a television presenter who was appointed by President Macron to raise funds for historic monuments, said last night that he felt anger. “Notre Dame is part of our history and of the French nation. For me, a close friend is leaving us,” he said. The collapsing spire was “symptomatic of what we are living through — a society in which everything goes up in flames.” He was bitter because Mr Macron last year blocked his demands to charge an entrance fee for visitors to the cathedral as the best way of financing repairs. to the ravages inflicted by the 14 million people who go there each year. “In 1905 there were millions of worshippers and a few thousand visitors at Notre Dame de Paris,” Mr Bern said recently. “Today there are 14 million tourists and a few thousand worshippers. How can you maintain the place in these conditions?” To keep the tourist monument operating, the cathedral employs 67 full-time staff. Electricity costs €800 daily, heating costs €1,000.

The state is paying no more than €40 million in the next decade because its coffers are low and because of fears of infringing secular values. Leftwing politicians have campaigned against spending on religious property at a time of spending cuts and the commitment to le laïcité, the strict secularism that bars religion from public life
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Spotted by Taman Tun who seems on good form lately - ''Such a sad event. Pity it was not the House of Commons.''

I'll drink to that . . . :)
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »

I have nothing against the House of Commons - in fact the Houses of Parliament are fine buildings - its just so many of the numpties who pretend to work from there that need incinerating!
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Re: Notre Dame de Paris - Happy Easter
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2019, 12:44:40 PM »

The Bells of Notre Dame de Paris - Happy Easter  ;D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0004dwt
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