The Boris Johnson thread

Roger · **Reply #40 on:** May 13, 2020, 08:22:52 PM

Just my 'penneth but IMO BJ is knackered and needs to take a rest. This is awful to watch. He is not well and needs to hand over to someone

https://youtu.be/xCrHjIqHTsE

sfs · **Reply #41 on:** May 13, 2020, 09:09:09 PM

I couldn't agree more Roger, he certainly isn't functioning as he was. Maybe just be in the background for now would be better. Bearing in mind he was in the intensive care for a few days and not long after that he was back, not enough recovery time in my opinion.

Alfie · **Reply #42 on:** May 15, 2020, 06:29:30 PM

Boris looked OK to me. IMO, both he and Starmer are keeping it low octane due to the current situation.

Roger · **Reply #43 on:** May 16, 2020, 06:32:03 AM

I hope you are right Alfie. I hope Boris is well, even though he's done a hero to zero for me with this CV-19 saga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrHjIqHTsE&feature=youtu.be

Roger · **Reply #44 on:** May 25, 2020, 03:37:42 PM

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out

Hard to see how BJ can save him . . . .

"Mr Cummings travelled 260 miles with his wife and four-year-old son to Durham on or around March 27, where he is said to have isolated for 14 days. But witnesses say they saw the adviser and his son outside the property on April 5, with others claiming they saw his car at Barnard Castle, 30 miles away, on April 12. Mr Cummings was then photographed in London on April 14. However he was then reportedly seen in Durham again on April 19."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/25/dominic-cummings-durham-boris-johnson-lockdown-barnard-castle/

caller · **Reply #45 on:** May 26, 2020, 10:11:21 AM

Sounds like a job for NSY!

Out of curiosity, is he well?

Roger · **Reply #46 on:** May 26, 2020, 03:09:51 PM

What's NSY Caller ?

jivvy · **Reply #47 on:** May 26, 2020, 06:30:35 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 26, 2020, 03:09:51 PM

What's NSY Caller ?

New Scotland Yard

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caller · **Reply #48 on:** May 26, 2020, 07:02:38 PM

Quote from: jivvy on May 26, 2020, 06:30:35 PM

New Scotland Yard ?

👍

Roger · **Reply #49 on:** May 27, 2020, 11:29:01 AM

Thanks Guys - 'NSY' - that's a new one for me and Robert LOL

NSY because the original 4 Whitehall Place location backed onto 'Great Scotland Yard'. I also remember it in Victoria St. but am 'unsure of the present whereabouts' . . . in the lingo.

Meantime, poor old Dom

Apparently 6 Cabinet Ministers think Cummings should go and Durham Police are investigating further

There's not much comfort here : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8359511/Majority-Conservative-supporters-believe-Dominic-Cummings-sacked.html

Meantime, I wonder what others think about this - the Media and Public camping outside personal residences of Public figures - it's a common practice and surely should be illegal because of the security risks.

Roger · **Reply #50 on:** May 27, 2020, 05:35:54 PM

Is Cummings toast ?

"Dominic Cummings replied indignantly when reporters suggested he had shown a cavalier attitude towards coronavirus and lockdown. "For years, I have warned of the dangers of pandemics," he insisted during his appearance in Downing Street's rose garden. "Last year I wrote about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning."

However, Mr Cummings' claim to have predicted the pandemic was not strictly true, Downing Street admitted on Tuesday night. In fact, sources confirmed that the Prime Minister's top aide secretly edited a year-old post on his personal blog last month to add a warning about coronaviruses.

MPs immediately accused Mr Cummings of misleading the nation by falsely making it appear that he had long warned about coronaviruses, and had always taken Covid-19 seriously".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/26/dominic-cummingss-coronavirus-prediction-claim-undermined-emerges/

Roger · **Reply #51 on:** May 27, 2020, 08:57:39 PM

An unsympathetic view . . . . .

"Perhaps on Sunday you watched the entire nation being lectured on what constitutes fatherly responsibility by Boris Johnson, a man who won’t even say how many children he has, and leaves women to bring up an unspecified number of them. Perhaps on Monday you watched the Guardian’s Rowena Mason being lectured in journalism by Johnson, a man sacked from a newspaper for fabricating quotes from his own godfather, and who blithely discussed helping a friend to have another journalist beaten up. Perhaps today, you heard Michael Gove tell LBC he has “on occasion” driven a car to check his eyesight."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him

Roger · **Reply #52 on:** May 28, 2020, 04:15:08 PM

Who needs NSY ?

"Dominic Cummings would not have been allowed to drive across China, Taiwan, or Korea to find a more congenial lockdown venue. He would have been stopped, arrested, and punished. In Wuhan his home would have been boarded up by Communist Party vigilantes before he had escaped." Sounds right to me LOL

"The scientists are warning again. They think that Europe and the US are dialing down containment measures before the tracking and isolation apparatus is fully in place and before the stock of infections has been cut to manageable levels"

"The rush to reopen is understandable. I don’t wish to enter arguments about morality and freedom. But as a matter of strict economics, the notion that we must pick between fighting Covid-19 and reviving growth is irritatingly misframed. The British authorities have shown - without apology - that if you are seriously incompetent, you get both the worst death toll in Europe and one of the worst economic hits as well. . . The danger ahead is (that the) economic deep-freeze . . . "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/27/clean-exit-covid-19-implausible-frothy-markets-relying-thinning/

dam12641 · **Reply #53 on:** May 28, 2020, 07:25:16 PM

Sigh.

Instead of opening "Boris Johnson threads" and "Donald Trump treads", why don't you take tour tinfoil hat off your head and open threads like "Failed Socialists.", "Socialism is the biggest Evil in Society Today", "The EUSSR was Biggest Mistake Since the Black Death","Obama was a Complete Twat" and "So Was Corbyn".

Go for it Roger.

I won't hold my breath.
Stop presenting yourself as the voice of reason whilst you are so left wing you make Lenin look moderate.
Goodnight and goodbye.

dam12641 · **Reply #54 on:** May 28, 2020, 07:43:36 PM

You Lefties amaze me.
You post this nonsense with the view that "Everybody will agree with me."

No. They won't. That is because the Left is in power.......well, nowhere.
Unless you count PRC, Venezuela and Cuba. The former USSR is now a Fascist state.

Every where that counts has rejected this perverted Socialist dogma. One hundred years of complete failure attest to it.
Stop it.

Your time is done, please just fade away into the mists of history.

Dale

Roger · **Reply #55 on:** May 28, 2020, 07:49:54 PM

Dam - your last post was purely personal ire and it's no problem to me at all. It's a Forum. If you have an opinion on BJ, Trump, EU, USSR, Obama, Corbyn etc. - let's hear it

ATM do you have any point at all on events yourself ? If so then post it

It's easy to moan about someone else having a go. Your turn

BTW - I was no Corbyn fan . . .

You certainly don't come over as the 'voice of reason' yourself RDRO.

Meantime, absorb the fact that your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is.

Roger · **Reply #56 on:** May 28, 2020, 07:56:52 PM

Just seen your second Dale - "Everybody will agree with me"

$:-\$

I don't think you read this Forum at all if you think I have that delusion

As for the rest - it's not about LEFT or RIGHT atm - it's about how successfully the UK or the USA for that matter, have handled this CV-19 crisis. On a logical basis without hindsight . . .

Anyway - Goodnight.

caller · **Reply #57 on:** May 28, 2020, 09:18:37 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 28, 2020, 07:49:54 PM

Meantime, absorb the fact that your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is.

The problem Roger, is that you keep presenting your opinion as an absolute given. Not many of my friends in the UK would agree with you. Whilst accepting all has not been well, they take the view that on balance, with the unknown factors involved, that the Government have done okay. They also ask who could have done better? They also bemoan the scientists who seem as often as not, to contradict each other and are puzzled why the media appear to give so much prominence to those who criticise the Government scientists.

This has been doing the rounds. I would add The Telegraph to this list whilst not being able to comment on the TV companies, I would say the Guardian reports have been fairly balanced but their opinion pieces not.

Emily Maitlis summed up much of the illiberal media with her introduction to whatever it was she was meant to be presenting. I see that even the beeb have said she went too far and breached the rules on prejudice. Let's be honest, this is the same group that hate Brexit and will do whatever they can to bring about a change of Govt.

Teessider · **Reply #58 on:** May 29, 2020, 02:22:54 AM

This from the FT shows how well the UK govt are doing

Roger · **Reply #59 on:** May 29, 2020, 10:23:08 AM

Caller - riding the wave again ? My comment to Dam, "your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is", was a fairly meek and mild reply in view of Dam's posts, but anyway, Dam and I are OK so mai pen lai. As for 'opinions' and 'absolute givens' - 'et tu Brute'.

Let's clear this up too - on the CV-19 thread, your reply 490 attempts to 'demonise' and ridicule me for making a perfectly reasonable point - that the UK had the advantage of watching other Countries/Govts. and the virus in action well before the danger arrived. Of course, I wasn't suggesting that the UK could or should do all that China did - but that the UK had the opportunity to see what was happening with the virus, what worked and what didn't, both in China and other Countries.

No need for these slap-downs IMO.