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A few days ago, the Australian government suspended the live export of cattle to 11 abattoirs in Indonesia after a TV documentary showed brutal treatment of animals at the facilities.

Some Australian MPs have called for a total ban on the trade with Indonesia, which is worth more than A$300m (£200m; $320m) a year. Australia's Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig said he had found the images in ABC's Four Corners programme "shocking in the extreme". "I have decided to halt the trade of live animals to the facilities identified by the footage," he said. "Further, I will appoint an independent reviewer to investigate the complete supply chain for live exports up to and including the point of slaughter. "I reserve the right to add further facilities to the banned list, if required."

Below is a link that shows some video footage taken in an abattoir in Indonesia. You might find some of it shocking, or you might not. I'd like to hear your opinions on it and on some of the wider issues it raises.

http://banliveexport.com
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A few days ago, the Australian government suspended the live export of cattle to 11 abattoirs in Indonesia after a TV documentary showed brutal treatment of animals at the facilities.

Some Australian MPs have called for a total ban on the trade with Indonesia, which is worth more than A$300m (£200m; $320m) a year. Australia's Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig said he had found the images in ABC's Four Corners programme "shocking in the extreme". "I have decided to halt the trade of live animals to the facilities identified by the footage," he said. "Further, I will appoint an independent reviewer to investigate the complete supply chain for live exports up to and including the point of slaughter. "I reserve the right to add further facilities to the banned list, if required."

Below is a link that shows some video footage taken in an abattoir in Indonesia. You might find some of it shocking, or you might not. I'd like to hear your opinions on it and on some of the wider issues it raises.

http://banliveexport.com

Alfie , Thanks for the link.

Ive just watched the full version of the broadcast and as a caring human being I feel so bad that I have to hang my head in shame , no living thing deserves that treatment .

I cannot say more but quote a great man -

The greatness of a society and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals.


The full version is here ..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FssedtU8t8




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Thanks for the Youtube link, Thaiphoon.

What can I say. Some of the guys on that video need a good kick up the backside! A lot of it seemed to be violence and abuse of the animals just for the sake of it, while at other times it seemed to be men poorly trained in their profession. I hope the Indonesian government legislate soon on animal welfare standards and then enforce that legislation. I am surprised people can be so nasty to helpless animals.

A few words on the video production. For me, the producers/presenters lost a bit of credibility by giving human names to animals in the video! Are we supposed to feel more sympathy for the animals if they are called Dudley, Bill, Arthur and Tommy?  ::) 

The wider issue of who can do what with their own belongings is a bit trickier. In the video, the animals were called "Australian" animals. No doubt that was for more effect for the Australian audience. Obviously they were raised in Australia but they are now "Indonesian".

Should Australia ban live export of animals? That's up to Australia and Australians. I remember in the UK we had a similar debate a decade or so ago. I don't remember the outcome of that debate. Meat exports is a huge business so meat will still be exported. If live exports are banned, other procedures will have to be put in place.
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Ban live exports. I don't see the point transporting live animals thousands of miles just to kill them. Kill them at source, export the meat.

I think the problem is with the muslim faith of requiring their animals to be conscience when they are slaughtered  :'(


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The abuse the animals got (IMO) was due to arseholes working in the abattoir. Maybe in Indonesia that is 'normal' behaviour towards animals.
As for religion, a lot of shit happens in its name. I think we should ban that!  :o

I just found out that it's not only Muslims and Islam that prefer their animals to be conscious when slaughtering them. The Jewish method of slaughter is the same apparently. There's some interesting reading on the following 2 links. I've added a screen-shot of some of it.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpapers/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsc-01314.pdf
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application/pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1109267162636&ssbinary=true

In November 2010, the UK Government position was summarised by Lord Henley:
I can say that we have no plans whatever to make the practice of halal or kosher killing illegal.  However, we think it worth considering the appropriate labelling of all meat so that people know exactly what it is that they are eating and how the meat has been killed.


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Thaiphoon

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The abuse the animals got (IMO) was due to arseholes working in the abattoir. Maybe in Indonesia that is 'normal' behaviour towards animals.
As for religion, a lot of shit happens in its name. I think we should ban that!  :o

I just found out that it's not only Muslims and Islam that prefer their animals to be conscious when slaughtering them. The Jewish method of slaughter is the same apparently. There's some interesting reading on the following 2 links. I've added a screen-shot of some of it.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpapers/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsc-01314.pdf
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application/pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1109267162636&ssbinary=true

In November 2010, the UK Government position was summarised by Lord Henley:
I can say that we have no plans whatever to make the practice of halal or kosher killing illegal.  However, we think it worth considering the appropriate labelling of all meat so that people know exactly what it is that they are eating and how the meat has been killed.



Alfie , religion has a lot to answer for , as for Uk  its  government has no balls ,  France can successfully ban the Burka
yet the British government does nothing to end the barbaric halal or kosher killing
 


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Religious slaughter seems to be acceptable in other countries, even in France, not just in namby pamby Britain.

In the US, kosher slaughter may be exempted from animal welfare laws. For instance, in the United States, the Humane Slaughter Act (7 U.S.C. section 1901) exempts ritual slaughter and this exemption has been upheld as constitutional.*

In France, halal food is big business and there are halal slaughterhouses. **

Other countries sell halal and kosher meat but I haven't yet found details of where the meat was actually slaughtered.


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter

** http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11176949
http://www.chris-kutschera.com/A/Halal.htm
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Religious slaughter even seems to be legal in most parts of Australia!

Religious slaughter is exempted as an offence under the Animal Care and Protection Act (ACPA) under certain conditions. See section 45 of ACPA.

http://kb.rspca.org.au/Is-religious-slaughter-legal_276.html

The standard for meat production in Australia is that all animals must be effectively stunned (unconscious) prior to slaughter. The most common form of halal slaughter complies with the Australian standard. The only difference between this halal-slaughter method is that it uses a reversible stunning method, while conventional humane slaughter uses an irreversible stunning method. Halal slaughter overseas may not permit stunning of the animal and this is the key difference between halal slaughter in Australia and halal slaughter in some other countries.

However, there are instances where the relevant Australian state or territory meat-inspection authority can approve an abattoir for ritual slaughter without prior stunning - either halal or kosher - for the domestic market. For cattle and sheep, the requirements for this type of slaughter are set out in a nationally adopted guideline Ritual Slaughter for Ovine (Sheep) and Bovine (Cattle):
http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-halal-slaughter-in-Australia_116.html

The 'reversible stunning method' mentioned in the last link might be useful for other countries that have concerns about ritual slaughter.


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The more I read about the whole subject , the more angry I feel  :(


Thaiphoon

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The Australian government has suspended live cattle exports to Indonesia until safeguards are adopted to end the brutal slaughter of animals. The move follows an investigation into Indonesian abattoirs by Australia's ABC broadcaster, which showed graphic footage of animals being mistreated. It prompted a public outcry and demands for the government to act. Last week, Canberra suspended exports to abattoirs shown in the programme, but now it has issued a blanket ban.


On Tuesday, about 2,000 cattle were not allowed to board a ship in Western Australia that was about to set sail for Indonesia. Now exports will be halted until safeguards are put in place in Indonesia to safeguard the animals. Australia exports more than 700,000 cattle each year, the vast majority of it to Indonesia. However, Australian farmers have warned that a ban would destroy many rural livelihoods.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13692211



Thanks for the link Derek,  Its going to be very interesting to see how long it takes for it all to be forgotten and back to the Horrors of Indonesia


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I reckon live exports will resume at some point once the outrage in Australia has died down. I'm pretty sure both Australia and New Zealand export live sheep to the Middle East so banning all live exports to all countries will probably be a  non-starter.

I think the incident will have had some effect on Indonesia and I hope Indonesia will introduce some legislation on animal welfare.
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They have only banned it for six months at this stage, but Indonesia arent too happy about it, they are looking into whether Australia has breeched international trade laws.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/BusinessBreakingNews/fi309056.htm

The ban will no doubt cause hardship for the farmers, even for six months.


Thaiphoon

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They have only banned it for six months at this stage, but Indonesia arent too happy about it, they are looking into whether Australia has breeched international trade laws.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/BusinessBreakingNews/fi309056.htm

The ban will no doubt cause hardship for the farmers, even for six months.
   


B&L as our man on the ground so to say, is this whole live exports horror loosing any momentum with the Australian people , is it still a daily feature on TV there or has it subdued ?


brettandlek

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Not sure about Media, but i listen to talk back radio.
Definately still big on the radio, real big.