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Re: Brexit
« Reply #580 on: March 06, 2019, 08:01:05 PM »

This morning - at Laem Sing with a Danish and a USA friend - they suddenly asked me - how do you think Brexit will go   :(   :-\   :-X

I answered - uuummmm  ;)

Later today - 'hot off the 'Press', it seems that 'things' are moving . .

From the DT now (I'd love to know more about the 4th in the list) . .

''Fresh backstop talks in Brussels end with no breakthrough
European Commission: No solution identified at this point
Downing Street: Talks with EU have been 'difficult'
Woody Johnson: Scare stories about US food created by EU
Former MI6 head says no deal Brexit is better than May's deal
Opinion: UK defeated EU - it should be demanding surrender terms
Opinion: PM must decide if she's serious about no-deal Brexit
Philip Johnston: The Prime Minister's Brexit gamble has backfired
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #581 on: March 06, 2019, 08:07:01 PM »

I'd be happy with a no deal Brexit.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #582 on: March 06, 2019, 08:26:04 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47463893

UK may slash trade tariffs under a no-deal Brexit

The UK government may cut trade tariffs on between 80% and 90% of goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit, reports say.

Some tariffs would be scrapped completely, including those on car parts, and some agricultural produce.

However, 10-20% of key products would continue to be protected by the current level of tariffs, including some textiles, cars, beef, lamb and dairy.

The government said it would make an announcement once a decision had been finalised.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #583 on: March 07, 2019, 07:21:13 AM »

''I'd be happy with a no deal Brexit''.
Crikey Alfie - now we agree on something else ;)  Where will this end ?  ;)

Heard a strong assertion on BBC that Mrs May's deal WILL go down by 100 votes next Tuesday.           I bl**dy well hope so.

Alternative paths left are :-
1. No deal Brexit   ;D   ;D   ;D
2. Extension of Article 50 - that'd be OK and it would have to be limited to a few months with the European elections coming . . . however, Macron and others say extension is only possible IF something fundamental changes in the UK - such as a General Election, 2nd Referendum or a new Tory Leader  8)
3. 2nd Referendum - IMO this will only happen when ALL other alternatives are exhausted.
4. Norway Plus deal - as being discussed by Tory factions with Corbyn yesterday. As it would mean staying in the 'Customs Union' AND the 'Single Market', I don't see that getting through Parliament.
5. Remain  >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(

God only knows !

If it's 'no deal', this reported by Alfie, would be a strong first step in the UK rebirth, ''The UK government may cut trade tariffs on between 80% and 90% of goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit''. Brilliant.

Come on Jacob the Mogg ! Boris has had a haircut - anything could happen.


 
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #584 on: March 07, 2019, 08:32:07 AM »

There's no chance of a no deal whilst May is in charge and the idiots in Parliament have tied her hands. The majority of MP's are remainers and have no interest in democracy. Just wait for the huge number of resignations or MP's kicked out by there constituencies who are aghast at their MP's - that starts this month. The rest will happen before the next election.

May is an absolute disgrace and should be forced out. She is little more than a quisling. She said she wouldn't just run down the clock, so it was just left as her deal or no deal (she now has an escape clause on that with a delay). Otherwise, she hasn't changed tactics or come up with anything new and has run down the clock. She and Parliament have to start playing hard ball but they're incompetence has been exposed to the World and that isn't going to change now.

Even Carney is now saying no-deal won't be so bad after all and this morning, even German economists are saying Britain should introduce new low tariffs to put pressure on the EU - and you here similar from everywhere, in the UK and from elsewhere - do this, do that, but this incompetent bungling fool of a PM does nothing.

She doesn't want to leave, simple. After she quits Parliament, she won't need 24 hour protection to save her from terrorists - they'll be needed to stop Joe Public getting to her!
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #585 on: March 07, 2019, 12:39:42 PM »

Caller - ''There's no chance of a 'no deal' whilst May is in charge and the idiots in Parliament have tied her hands.''

I'm not sure - if May goes ahead with this vote and loses, who knows which way events might turn. Parliament has to vote and approve something else by March 29th OR it'll be 'no deal' by default.

The Brexiteers and the ERG are just TOO quiet atm and one wonders what might be going on. I guess we'll find out, before too long . . .

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #586 on: March 07, 2019, 12:43:48 PM »

I think Theresa May is trying to get a deal but that she will not be too upset if it goes to a no deal exit.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #587 on: March 07, 2019, 01:47:55 PM »

Roger and Alfie. I hope you are right and I am wrong.

That will certainly concentrate EU minds. If a no deal happened, Ireland will need a bail out almost immediately. Italy has already said that in the event of a no-deal, it will seek it's own agreement with the UK. I doubt they will be the only one's.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #588 on: March 09, 2019, 11:52:55 PM »

Let's get it done, she says.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQwFdfXH49g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQwFdfXH49g</a>
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #589 on: March 10, 2019, 10:43:57 AM »

Thanks for that Alfie, next week should be very interesting.
I was pleasantly surprised by today's front page in the DT :-

''Support for a no-deal Brexit is growing in the face of the EU's refusal to help salvage Theresa May's deal, according to a new poll. A survey by ComRes found that 44 per cent of the public now believe the UK should leave without a deal if Brussels refuses to make any further concessions - a six point rise from January. Less than a third (30 per cent) disagreed.

It came as 74 senior Tory activists, including more than 50 association chairman, told Mrs May that Conservative voters "do not fear a no deal exit" and "just want Brexit delivered."
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/09/support-no-deal-brexit-backed-public-poll-finds-growing-number/
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #590 on: March 10, 2019, 11:10:43 AM »

Worth pointing out that the survey is from a Brexit supporting group, albeit it's findings reflect the views of most people I know.

The Sunday Times is reporting that YouGov have polled over 25,000 voters in all 632 UK parliamentary constituencies and found that the majority in all but two (2!) constituencies want their MP's to reject Theresa May's deal, including in her own constituency.

Anyway, as the Times is subscription only and it's only a small report, here it is in full:

The majority of voters in nearly all the 632 parliamentary constituencies in England, Scotland and Wales want their MPs to reject Theresa May’s Brexit deal, according to the most in-depth research into public opinion on the issue.

The constituency-by-constituency analysis, based on YouGov polling of more than 25,000 voters shows that there are only two — Christchurch, in Dorset, and South Holland and the Deepings, in Lincolnshire — where more support the prime minister’s deal to withdraw from the EU than oppose it.

This suggests that if any vote in parliament precisely reflected the “will of the people” then even May would have to vote against her own negotiated agreement: voters in the prime minister’s Maidenhead constituency oppose it by 54% to 46%.

Not a single member of the cabinet represents a seat where voters want to see the deal passed, according to the research.

Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, comes closest: voters in his South Staffordshire seat are split 50-50 on May’s agreement. The research also shows that if Labour is perceived as having enabled Brexit then the party could suffer catastrophic losses at the next election, with the Tories winning a 200-seat majority.

Peter Kellner, the former president of YouGov, said: “The fact that only two constituencies in the entire country want their MP to support her deal shows just how risky it would be for the prime minister to force this deal on the people now. But Jeremy Corbyn also faces a big and immediate challenge.

“If he is seen to facilitate an unpopular Brexit, he will alienate the large majority of Labour voters who want the UK to stay in the EU.”

In better news for the government before the second meaningful vote on its Brexit agreement on Tuesday, internal Tory polling shows 58% of voters think May’s deal is imperfect but are willing to accept it in order to see Brexit delivered. This compares with 24% who disagree.

Another survey, by ComRes, found that 44% of the public now believe the UK should leave without a deal if Brussels refuses to make any further concessions, while 30% disagreed.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #591 on: March 10, 2019, 03:59:45 PM »

Caller - thanks very much for that. It'll be an interesting week  8)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #592 on: March 10, 2019, 05:15:04 PM »

Lets hope sense prevails this week and Mays deal is soundly defeated followed by a resounding vote to reject a no deal Brexit. Then a Brexit extension to accommodate new possibilities, Norway plus, change of leader, general election, new referendum ?
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« Reply #593 on: March 10, 2019, 06:03:55 PM »

And wait another two years so we can keep arguing with the EU and still not come to an agreement? Pointless.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #594 on: March 10, 2019, 06:58:19 PM »

or a no deal brexit to cause a massive hit to the economy, end of car manufacturing in Britain, break up of the UK and a further devaluation of the £. Stupid.
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« Reply #595 on: March 10, 2019, 07:02:10 PM »

or a no deal brexit to cause a massive hit to the economy, end of car manufacturing in Britain, break up of the UK and a further devaluation of the £. Stupid.

Blimey, even Mark Carney say's it won't be that bad!
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« Reply #596 on: March 10, 2019, 07:25:32 PM »

The governments own figures forecast a negative hit to the economy. Car manufacturers already cutting back. Scotland voted remain so will at best resent Brexit. The hard border in N. Ireland will be a big problem. Further devaluation of the £ is a certainty. Its all right for you lot, you dont have to live there.
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« Reply #597 on: March 10, 2019, 07:58:34 PM »

or a no deal brexit to cause a massive hit to the economy, end of car manufacturing in Britain, break up of the UK and a further devaluation of the £. Stupid.

The end of car maufacturing in Britain?



And the break up of Britain?

That's some imagination you have.

The other two you mention may or may not happen but if it does, I predict it will only be temporary.
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« Reply #598 on: March 11, 2019, 12:22:49 AM »

The governments own figures forecast a negative hit to the economy. Car manufacturers already cutting back. Scotland voted remain so will at best resent Brexit. The hard border in N. Ireland will be a big problem. Further devaluation of the £ is a certainty. Its all right for you lot, you dont have to live there.

For sure, it won't initially all be sweetness and light. But Govt. figures aren't exactly the most reliable are they - not according to other economists who question their findings.

And let's be honest, the car industry is on it's knees globally and the EU deal means there is little point Japan manufacturing here any more. And not all Scots voted remain and Scotland isn't going anywhere - well it can't really can it, its where it is and only Parliament can make that decision and Scotland's Govt. isn't exactly renowned for saving the pennies. The hard border in NI won't happen and lot's of other scare stories will suddenly disappear as well.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #599 on: March 12, 2019, 09:03:34 AM »

when they sort out the european pensions.it might turn out good for the uk expatsl living with frozen pensions.canada just sent 550.000 pertitition to aapg calling to stop frozen uk pensions. lets hope it happens.
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