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As Freddie (Mercury) sings, (at the end of "I'm going slightly mad") . . . . . and there you have it   ???

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/25/brexit-latest-news-general-election-extension-boris-johnson/

Great clip - "TIME FOR CORBYN TO MAN UP - LET'S HAVE AN ELECTION ON DEC 12TH" . . .

 8) 8) 8)
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3 pertinent views here IMVVHO  ;)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/25/emmanuel-macron-heaps-pressure-jeremy-corbyn-back-general-election/

"Emmanuel Macron, the French president,  favours a short delay of up to 15 days rather than the three month flextension to January 31 supported by an overwhelming majority of EU leaders. " I always thought this Boy wasn't ALL bad . . . .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/25/boris-needs-election-slay-zombie-parliament-has-brexit-deathly/

"Some MPs just can't handle the truth. When Geoffrey Cox boomed at them last month that this parliament was a "dead parliament" with "no moral right to sit on these green benches", they were affronted to be denounced in such terms."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/25/labour-moderates-arent-terrified-corbyn-will-lose-election-might/

"Their worst case scenario would not be a disastrous performance by Corbyn but a good one, one that – God forbid! – actually led him to Number 10. In such a scenario, the old Labour Party, the party of compromise and consensus, of moderation and social democracy, would be pronounced dead forever, replaced by a new, confident and belligerent form of neo-Marxism."

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT  8)
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Boris may have handed the premiership to Corbyn. I believe he will struggle to gain an overall majority and could in fact be ousted by the rainbow alliance of labour/lib/SNP/PC/Greens/etc, with Corbyn as leader.
Why take this gamble, what a disaster, the UKs worst nightmare, a Corbyn government!!


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IMO NO WAY TW !

The Lib Dems might do well but evenso would never go into coalition with Labour.
Corbyn is in for a thrashing.

Hopefully the Brexit Party will put up 50 Candidates in Labour 'Leave' Constituencies and that'll be that for Jeremy   ;)

The Tories NOT getting a working majority IS a real risk though. We'll see . . . .
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The Illiberal Dems and Labour won't form a pact unless either is prepared to move their policy on Brexit. ILD are totally opposed and won't even accept  Brexit winning at a 2nd referendum. If Labour sign up to that, they might as well slit their throats. They will be dead in the water. If the ILD shift on their policy, they will lose all the votes they think are coming their way.


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Donald Tusk appealing to 'Remainers' NOT to give up, makes the following comment :-

"I have heard repeatedly from Brexiteers that they wanted to leave the European Union to make the United Kingdom global again, believing that only alone, it can truly be great," he said, claiming to "hear in these voices a longing for the empire".

I've always thought this a shallow point and IMO this is not the motivation of the Brexit movement. But anyway, has Tusk met the Ayatollahs ?   ;)

"No Brexiteer has ever expressed a longing for empire as strongly as Guy Verhofstadt, who waxed lyrical at the Lib Dem conference back in September about the "world order based on empires". The European Parliament's Brexit pointman thrilled the Remainer masses by telling them that the only way British interests and way of life could be defended in such a climate was by "doing it together" as part of the European empire.

Although Jean-Claude Juncker protested that he found such imperialist talk "rather aggressive [and] military," he has been a key figure in Brussels' remorseless power grab
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/14/donald-tusk-thinks-brexiteers-longing-empire-has-met-eu-elite/
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Donald Tusk appealing to 'Remainers' NOT to give up, makes the following comment

In the grand scheme of the EU, Tusk has largely been an irrelevance. He's not been particularly successful in his role and will soon be a forgotten footnote in the history books. His opinion is of no consequence.


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I had to laugh . . .  ;)

"Jean-Claude Juncker ignored warnings over the Brexit border backstop from his British and Irish commissioners during negotiations with the UK, it has emerged. . . . Sir Julian King and Phil Hogan, the UK and Ireland’s EU commissioners, both warned Mr Juncker that the deep historical problems around the Irish border could not be overcome by a legalistic text such as the backstop."

Just MHO - I don't think JCJ IGNORED the warning about the backstop - I think he and his fellow 'ayatollahs' thought - EUREKA ! - the moment they thought they could stop Brexit. Good riddance to JCJ - if nothing else, DC was right about this creep.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/03/jean-claude-juncker-ignored-eu-commissioners-warnings-brexit/
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Juncker is a terrible liar. He recently claimed, that had it not been for his intervention, the punishment of the Greeks would have been much worse. What happened was that he wrote to the Greek negotiators agreeing to their latest proposals, which was a big shift in policy, only to be told by the negotiators that what he had written was of no consequence and didn't change anything. That particular matter was being dealt with by Schauble, at the time, Merkels trusted deputy and Juncker was just a bit player, as was proved.


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Joyous   ;D   though it is that Juncker has gone, we still have bombastic Barnier to deal with - he who wants the UK to have such a bad deal that the 27 remaining Members don't contemplate a similar departure . . . .    ::)

A sobering review in the DT on the coming 'discussions' :-

" . . . . first demand will be that Boris Johnson breaks his promise not to extend the eleven months transition period if he wants a proper trade deal. . . . . . Even if the UK did request a transition extension, it would be on the extra condition of paying a “proportional” contribution to the EU budget

. . . . . A second EU demand is that the UK agrees to grant the EU access to British fishing waters before the end of June, and it sees this as a pre-condition for any trade deal.

. . . . . Thirdly, the EU will demand so-called level playing field commitments to guarantee that the UK will not undercut European social, tax and environmental standards to gain competitive advantage after Brexit.

. . . . . And what of finance? The EU’s Commissioner for financial services has specifically warned that the bloc will restrict market access if the UK diverges too much from EU financial regulations.

. . . . . Fourthly, security cooperation will be a further condition of an EU-UK trade agreement, specifically

. . . . . A fifth demand is that the new relationship should be governed by a single overarching deal

. . . . There's more. The European Union will also attempt to make the UK sign up to freedom of movement in return for tariff-free market access.

. . This is an extraordinarily ambitious wish list, and one which seems especially ludicrous given EU officials' tendency to accuse the UK of "unicorn thinking". Still, it is Christmas I suppose...
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Bl**dy hell   :o   Here we go again . . . Good Luck Boris !! 
I'd rather a hard Brexit than give ANY of this to the EU and they can stick their Mercs, BMWs and Audi where it hurts most   :o

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/04/britain-goes-polls-eu-preparing-brand-new-list-brexit-unicorns/
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I thought this was pretty good, not sure how long Utube will let it stay though


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Very enjoyable  ;D ;D
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The core EU needs to keep it's UK trading healthy now it's 'game over' . . . will they negotiate in a friendly and cooperative manner ?

"The eurozone has suffered the weakest post-crisis recovery after a lost decade for swathes of the ailing region, with analysts predicting the economic malaise will extend into the 2020s. The currency bloc has lagged every other major developed economy since the global recovery started in 2009 as a chasm between the performance of northern and southern eurozone countries emerged.

Real GDP rose by 15pc over the period, nearly half that of the US and behind other developed economies, including the UK and even sluggish Japan. The output of southern eurozone economies – Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain – collectively inched up just 4pc as tensions simmer with their stronger northern counterparts over policy. Without Germany, a rare bright spot in the region, eurozone GDP rose by just 13pc.
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I wonder what the view of our K-F 'remainers' is now ?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/04/eurozone-suffers-lost-decade-weakest-growth-major-developed/
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An important step taken. Well done, Boris. Now 11 months of negotiation.


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Well said Dam and I agree with Alfie's 'well done' for Boris. Just think back to last July with all the major Parties split down the middle - May's floundering DUP coalition and Parliamentary paralysis. By hook or by crook the UK now has a majority Government, a functionally united Tory Party and a beloved Brexit in the bag. Boris's achievements so far are remarkable - a 'tax cut' (N.I.) too  ;) 

It was a painful process - democracy in action.

Just MO but the EU made at least 4 tragic misjudgements - enshrining 'ever closer Union' into the EU dictat, appointing the dreadful Juncker, ignoring David Cameron's powerful appeal for reforms and then, deciding that Barnier's 'make 'em suffer' negotiations to be the way forward . . . . The EU Ayatollahs have forced this situation - and from the outset, the next stage of negotiations looks like the same again  >:(   If only the EU could treat the UK with respect and friendship  ::)

"Boris Johnson has become "privately infuriated" with what he sees as the EU's attempts to frustrate a comprehensive free trade deal, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal. The Prime Minister believes Brussels has unilaterally been "changing the terms" of the deal he agreed last year, when both sides set out to work towards an ambitious and deep trade agreement. As a result the UK is no longer wedded to a Canada-style agreement, in what would be a major hardening in the Government's Brexit strategy."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/01/boris-johnson-infuriated-eu-reneges-free-trade-deal/
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"Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has accused the EU of “shifting the goalposts” and threatening to undermine Brexit with its demands that the UK follow EU rules as part of a Canada-style free trade deal after 2021. On the eve of major set piece announcements  on Monday by the UK and EU on their respective positions in the forthcoming trade talks,  Mr Raab criticised the EU for going back on its past commitments to a Canada-style free trade deal. He said the political declaration signed with the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement made it “very clear” that a Canada-style agreement would not involve regulatory alignment." . . . .

. . . . "Earlier, on Sky News’ Sophy Ridge show, Mr Raab said “the issue of alignment” was “not even in the negotiating room…[it] is just not going to happen, it’s not a question of red lines, it’s not on the negotiating table.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/02/foreign-secretary-accuses-eu-shifting-goalposts-canada-style/
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"Donald Tusk, the former president of the European council, has said there would be widespread enthusiasm in the EU if Scotland applied to rejoin after independence."

Another of the delusional Ayatollahs, Donald Tusk, 'showing himself up' frankly. This is rank mischief. The EU is a busted flush - compare Tusk's attitude with the EU stance on the Catalans. Shut up Tusk !
Scotland would fall flat on it's face without UK economic support :-

"Scottish government data, which was released last week but not publicised, showed a £5bn cut in Scotland’s economic output from £180bn to £175bn, which is equivalent to a deficit of 7.2%. The deficit shows the gap between public spending and tax income. The EU requires its member states to have a deficit below 3%."

Polls are polls, no more. IF the Scots were faced with a REAL decision with independence actually on the table, I'm convinced that to 'Remain', 'in the UK, would triumph. Strongly.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/02/donald-tusk-eu-would-be-enthusiastic-if-scotland-applied-to-rejoin
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One of the trump cards the UK hold over Sturgeons claim to independence is fishing rights. When we take fishing rights back from the EU, they will go to Scotland to manage as a devolved Government. So Sturgeon will be in control. So she wants to rejoin the EU, thus handing fishing rights back to EU control.....hmmmmm.