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I came across this on Utube,
If there is court action, I would think that May would be tried and found guilty of treason, should be hung from the highest Yardarm in the land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBe-X7aFus8


Bill Cash, a solicitor in his own right, wrote an article in the Telegraph the other day about Court action. It appears he has gathered an eminent group of lawyers together, including those representing Gina Miller and the consensus, according to him, was that the law has been flouted. The big question is when will this action take place Bill, when?

I suspect if his case is as strong as believed, that an awful lot of politics is going on behind the scenes.
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Thanks KC and Caller - something may be afoot  ;)

DT just now :-

''Grassroots Tories believe they are just weeks away from triggering a little-known process that could help to bring down Theresa May. Party chairmen are circulating a petition calling for the party's National Convention, which represents the grassroots, to call an Extraordinary General Meeting to pass a vote of no confidence in Mrs May, the Tory leader.

If the petition motion is signed by more than 65 association chairmen,  the party is obliged to hold the meeting. So far between 40 and 50 party chairmen have signed it, and the threshold could be passed as early as next week
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/16/local-conservative-chairmen-planning-no-confidence-vote-theresa/

Please please   :)
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It's all pretty desperate stuff Roger.

Also pretty desperate to learn that Amber Rudd is considering putting herself forward as party leader. That'll impress Tory members - not!

I see the treasurer of the party, who has a few bob, is having to fund party canvassing as donors have walked away.

Interesting to note that pollsters are tipping the Brexit party to be there or thereabouts to win most seats in the EU parliament if voting goes ahead in the UK.

Meanwhile, Macron has been exposed as backing a warlord with troops on the ground in Libya against both UN and EU official policy and has angered the Italians again. Looks like it's going to backfire on him politically and because of what may happen in Libya. Gotta love the French, haven't you, I wonder what EU they belong to?

Meanwhile, over to Labour, the shadow justice secretary, a Corbyn ally no less,has finally admitted making anti-Semitic remarks after film of him doing so finally came to light. He had denied doing so up until now. Apparently, he will not be sacked. Think about this. He is deputy justice secretary. If he was Justice Secretary, he could be in the position of reporting himself to Police to see if he has committed an offence, what a mad, f****d World we live in. He should hang his head in shame and resign. But's it's Labour and Labour don't care about racism against Jews. They seem to actually promote it by their lack of action.
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Caller, as you say, the Brexit Party are poised to do well in the new EU elections  ;)

''The EU will end up with 50 “disruptive and resentful” British MEPs if it forces the country to take part in elections to the European Parliament next month, Liam Fox has warned. In an interview with The Telegraph, the pro-Brexit International Trade Secretary pointed out that the parliament, which is due to elect the next European Commission president later this year, “will have an effect on the formation of the next commission.” “The last thing our European partners want are 50 disruptive and resentful UK MEPs,” he added.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/20/eu-will-end-50-angry-disruptive-meps-forces-uk-hold-mep-elections/

And Brexit troubles rumble on . . .

Ken Clarke is one of my favourite Politicians (despite Brexit) - here, the redoubtable Bernard Ingham, (Mrs Thatcher's fella), puts KC in his place on an oft repeated claim :-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6942569/Margaret-Thatchers-former-press-secretary-savages-Ken-Clarkes-claim-vote-stay-EU.html

. . . and ''Annunziata Rees-Mogg has slammed Britain's broken politics and 'confused' leadership at a rally for the Brexit Party in Nottingham. Ms Rees-Mogg, the sister of Tory Brexiteer Jacob, said he fully supports her decision to stand for a different party and says the pair 'get on extremely well'. Speaking at the event alongside leader Nigel Farage, Ms Rees-Mogg, who has twice stood unsuccessfully for the Conservatives, said: 'I think our politics is broken. 'It's been very clear that we have got a Remainer parliament trying very ineffectually to represent the Leave vote. 'We need Leave representatives to fight the corner of our democracy.' ''

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6942811/Annunziata-Rees-Mogg-slams-Britains-broken-political-system.html

. . .  and ''. . . as British politics plunges further into crisis, The Mail on Sunday has asked 800 of these loyal foot soldiers just what they think of the disastrous Brexit stalemate – and of Theresa May’s leadership''.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6943375/Heart-soul-Tory-party-reveal-cries-exasperation-pain.html
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Please GO Theresa   >:(    It won't be a moment too soon   :o

''A vote on Theresa May's future among the party's grassroots supporters which could hasten her departure from office is just weeks away after enough local party chairmen signed a petition supporting it. The National Conservative Convention, which represents Tory volunteers, now has a duty under the party's constitution to call an "extraordinary general meeting" to allow a no confidence vote in Mrs May to be held.

Any vote would be unprecedented and would put pressure on Conservative MPs to change the leadership rules and allow them to hold an early vote on Mrs May's future which could see her being forcibly removed from office. Campaigners said the scale of support was “a clear expression of just how disillusioned, despairing and disappointed the Conservative grassroots have become”. They said that any vote “will add weight to moves by the 1922 Committee to change their procedure, to allow for a further confidence vote in the Prime Minister by MPs”.

MPs on the executive of the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs are meeting on Tuesday to discuss an early vote, rather than waiting until December as they have to under current rules
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/21/exclusive-tories-just-weeks-no-confidence-vote-mayafter-local/
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So it's back to the drawing board on this one . . . .  :o  bugger  ::)

''Another Brexiteer coup against Theresa May fizzled out as the party’s senior backbenchers decided not to change the party’s rules to allow an early leadership challenge against her. However, Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the party’s 1922 committee, said that it was time Mrs May set a date for her departure by giving a “clear roadmap” for her exit from 10 Downing Street.

Under the party's rules, Mrs May cannot be challenged until December after winning a no confidence vote last December . . .
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/24/senior-tories-demand-theresa-may-set-clear-roadmap-departure/

Good ole' Annie :-

''Ann Widdecombe is kicked out of the Conservatives after announcing she will stand as a Brexit Party MEP candidate. The former Shadow Home Secretary made the explosive announcement yesterday that she would stand for the pro-Leave Brexit Party. Hours later, she received a letter from the party telling her that her membership would be cancelled.

Miss Widdecombe told the Mail: 'I was standing for the Brexit Party, so it was implicit that I was going. It’s a rule, so I knew it was coming
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6956973/Ann-Widdecombe-kicked-Conservatives.html
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''An excruciating look at how the EU scorned Theresa May’s Brexit efforts''.

''Never at any time in the long months . . . did the Europeans look to be anything other than in total control. From the high ground of 27-nation unity, they looked down on a British government that couldn’t even unify itself and, despite the high stakes, they were frequently moved to derisive laughter. As they saw it, they had no need to out-negotiate Britain – the British government was doing too good a job of that itself.

For some viewers this will have provoked outrage: sniffy Europeans scoffing at the chaos of British politics, blithely refusing to budge on British demands. Others will have seen it as sad, painful and humiliating, an inevitable consequence of leaving and not being prepared to play the EU at its own game.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/brexit-behind-closed-doors-review-excruciating-look-eu-scorned/
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And now some good news - I will be in the UK to vote in the elections for the European Parliament  ;)

I'd guess I'm not alone but IMO it's not appropriate for Juncker, Tusk, Barnier and Verhofstadt to be involving themselves in the elections. Verhofstadt himself actually campaigning with the Lib Dems  :o

''The European parliament’s Brexit coordinator, Guy Verhofstadt, has warned that the UK’s decision to leave the EU has already done “far more damage than has ever been predicted”. Appearing alongside the Liberal Democrat leader, Vince Cable, at a European election campaign event in Camden, north London, on Friday morning, the leader of the Alliance for Liberals and Democrats for Europe said he wanted to send a message to people on the continent to “never repeat Brexit again”.''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/10/guy-verhofstadt-never-repeat-brexit-again-mep-warns

The process seems to have hit a vacuum pending these elections. If the Tories get a momentous thrashing maybe Mrs May will finally GO !
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Just as an aside, I see that Grieve is now being faced with de-selection after losing the no confidence vote. I think the vote takes place at the end of this month.


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Hello Caller - I'd be very sorry indeed if Dominic Grieve is deselected. A talented and experienced Guy, he's one of my favourites due not least to his contribution to 'Rumpole of the Bailey' as the Technical Advisor  :)
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And the music goes round and round oh oh and it comes back here  ::) (or similar). Hang on, isn't this where we were when David Cameron felt it essential to call the FIRST Referendum ??   :-\

''Poll surge for Farage sparks panic among Tories and Labour.
Support for the Conservatives at the European elections slumps to 11%, less than a third of what the Brexit party is polling
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Senior Tory and Labour politicians have issued frantic calls to their voters to back them in next week’s European elections after a new poll showed support for Nigel Farage’s Brexit party had soared to a level higher than for the two main parties put together. The Opinium survey for the Observer places the Brexit party on 34%, when people were asked how they intended to vote on 23 May, with Labour slipping to 21% and the Conservatives collapsing to just 11%. Ominously for Theresa May, support for the Tories at the European elections is now less than a third of that for Farage’s party, and below that for the Liberal Democrats, who are on 12%.

The poll suggests the Brexit party, launched only last month, is now on course for a thumping victory that Farage will, MPs fear, use to back his argument that the UK must leave the EU immediately without a deal
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Headlining in many Papers today . . . . .

A passing comment - I hope Mr Verhofstadt continues to campaign for the Lib Dems - that'll ensure the election of The Brexit Party  ;)  Important to note that one European Nation already has a Comedian as Leader, so all things are possible.   8)


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A poor result for the Tories and Mrs May in these elections for the EU Parliament, is a foregone conclusion. Eurosceptic votes can also be expected in some other EU Nations. Will the EU reflect these changing positions in the future ? Probably not  :-\

In the Telegraph today:-

''The election of 170 part-time dilettantes from the eurosceptic Left and Right might shake up French or Italian politics. It will change absolutely nothing in the governing structure of the EU. Trumpian ideologue Steve Bannon deems the European Parliament vote this week to be “one of the most important elections ever” but he has never tangled in earnest with Germano-European deep state. The EU’s permanent machinery will reassert iron control once the noise has subsided.''

That's the problem and explains why the UK is in Brexit mode - the 'deep' EU has a life of it's own . . . .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/05/22/no-european-election-ever-deflects-eu-deep-state-one-inch-rigid/


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The Brexit Party has 28 MEPs so far in the European elections with 31.6% of the vote.
The Lib Dems have 15 MEPs so far with 20.3% of the vote.
The Labour party has 10 MEPs with 14.1% o the vote so far.
The Conservatives have 3 MEPs with 9.1% of the vote so far - which is less than the Greens, who have 7 MEPs and 12.1% of the vote.


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It's worth noting where those votes have been picked up from. Most are very regional, bar the Brexit Party and will certainly cause huge concern to Tories and Labour. Both were wiped out in their traditional heartlands. That will cost both dear in a GE if those votes don't go back, as they did after the referendum. But once bitten, twice shy...…

It does seem that the results can be interpreted in whatever way suits your leaning. That's why what happens next is so important. If Labour now back a 2nd referendum, they will break in two, likewise for the Tories, if they, as I suspect they will, elect a 'compromise' leader- they'll be toast.

It was interesting to hear Heidi Allen of UK change or whatever they called themselves, stating this morning that the success of the Brexit party means nothing as MP's won't accept a no-deal Brexit. That's the attitude, girl, stuff the electorate, we're in charge, when it's precisely this attitude that is behind all the disaffection as MP's ignore their constituents, which especially applies to her and her ilk, as quitting their parties left them without the representation they voted for.

 
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Anti-brexit parties win more votes than pro-brexit parties so yes its clear what the electorate wants.
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Not really.

What's lurking in those Tory and Labour votes - leave or remain?

You also need to consider the turnout and compare it to the referendum. There's a big difference and there are a lot of very disgruntled voters out there. For example Hartlepool dropped from 65% turnout in 2016 to 25% on Thursday. That's what happens if you shaft people.

Plus Brexit party are the new kids in town and still growing, let's see what happens when they reveal their policies and after they have won the Peterborough by-election.

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''Boris Johnson victim of 'plot to stop Brexit' as he faces criminal trial over Leave campaign

Britain’s top prosecutor has been urged to prevent the courts being “abused” in a plot to stop Brexit after Boris Johnson was told he could face trial over his part in the Leave campaign. The Tory leadership contender has been summonsed to appear before a judge to answer three charges of misconduct in a public office following a complaint that he “lied” about how much Britain gives to the EU. Marcus Ball, a Remain-backing campaigner, took out a private prosecution against Mr Johnson, claiming he was wrong to say during the EU referendum campaign that Britain gives £350 million a week to Brussels.''

Crikey if Mr Ball is going to sue every Politician who exaggerates, makes a mistake or a misleading statement, he's gonna be VERY busy   ;)  Time to move on from that one methinks.

Maybe the figure should have been GBP 250,000,000 a week -  ??? I don't suppose it made a jot of difference to anyone . . .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/29/boris-johnson-victim-plot-stop-brexit-faces-criminal-trial-leave/
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With the major Parties locked in splits from the start - it's been certain that to get Brexit through the HoC would be 'problematic' in the extreme.

The way forward now ? Hopefully the Tories will elect a Brexit minded Leader. IF there is still a majority for Brexit amongst General Election voters, that could then deliver a Tory/Brexit Party coalition Government over a Lib Dem 'Remainer' coalition opposition. OR, looking down the barrel of a General Election gun  ::)  enough 'Remainer' Tory MP's might go with a Brexit flow to save their seats?

For sure, the Tory Govt. now needs STRONG and IMAGINATIVE Leadership . . .

I see the EU are as helpful as ever in their comments and am reminded of this posted by Hector some time ago - worth watching indeed. Love it  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63IcW4eo4uM
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There's been a lot of research done on the EU results now.

It's hard to see the Lib Dems repeating their success. They have probably reached the zenith of their popularity, not just because they hoovered up votes from Labour in London and one or two other areas, but because elsewhere their vote account only increased only marginally, to small to make a breakthrough in normal elections.

The Greens seem to have cause for genuine optimism.

No point talking about the Tories as that's well documented.

But the evidence suggests that in Wales, Labour Brexit supporters switched to The Brexit Party. Maybe there should be two labour parties - one called 'Traditional Labour and the other called, 'Labour for the London Luvvies'. My London based friends feel Labour no longer represents them, which would explain the numbers voting for the Brexit Party there, or not bothering to vote.


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''Boris Johnson has won a High Court challenge against a court summons to face allegations of misconduct in a public office over claims made during the referendum campaign that the EU receives £350 million a week from the UK. The claims were disputed during the referendum campaign and voters could choose to ignore them, the High Court heard earlier. Giving the court's decision, Lady Justice Rafferty, sitting with Mr Justice Supperstone, said: "We are persuaded, Mr Darbishire, so you succeed, and the relief that we grant is the quashing of the summonses." Lawyers for Boris Johnson told senior judges the MP, who is currently the front runner in the Conservative Party leadership contest, he denied acting improperly or dishonestly when campaigning to leave the EU ahead of the historic 2016 vote.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/07/boris-johnson-has-misconduct-allegations-quashed-high-court/
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