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I think Nigel Farage said he would work with Bo Jo in the next election and only stand candidates where Tory remoners would stand,

Boris has said he won't do a deal with the BP. He will if he needs to and he does.

Many t'up north are Brexit supporters. Many more hate Corbyn. But they could never bring themselves to vote Tory, So it has to be the BP. The Tories should step aside in such seats.


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"Watching Remainers tell Mr Johnson to moderate his language is beyond parody. For all their protestations about the word “surrender”, they apparently feel no shame whatsoever about the outrageous language they habitually use to smear the Prime Minister: “charlatan”, “liar”, “hard-right”, “fascist”, “Nazi” and “thug” are just a few examples."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/26/warped-hypocrisy-left-boris-johnsons-use-language-disturbing/
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Aren't The Scottish MPs loving watching the English struggle.  The scot's  attitude reminds me of Allie McCloud's World Cup campaign - has there ever been a nation that overestimates its own importance or relevance more than the Scots.  Give them independence now and start building the border posts.


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While I'm at it,  the UK needs to start playing its banker cards.  All of our troops out of Europe and withdraw from NATO.  I think threats like that might cause a rethink from the bullyboys in Europe - we're not playing hardball,  the EU is.


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The constant and often wilful misrepresentation is bewildering :-

1. Boris did not take unlawful action in prorogueing Parliament - he followed the usual procedures. The Supreme Court decided against convention to involve itself in Political matters and set a new precedent adding to the Common Law. After that retrospective ruling, BJ's actions had to be rescinded.

2. Language/behaviour in Parliament - the Establishment, the Media and the Opposition are all out to 'get' Boris and it's been no holds barred from the start. The Speaker should never have allowed those attacks on the PM by Paula Sheriff MP, Barry Sheerman MP and many others. Hysterical stuff - reminds me of the football ditty 'just because you're losing' !

3. "Humbug" - BJ's response to the suggestion that the use of the word 'Surrender' was encouraging violence. Fair comment ! (It was the overly empassioned Paula Sheriff who invoked Jo Cox).

4. It's common populist tripe these days to insist on an 'apology' - BJ is routinely reprimanded but has nothing to apologise for  - as 1 and 3 above.

5. Who is Amber ? What is she ? Here there and everywhere again - thank Heaven she didn't become Tory Leader. As for BJ's Sister's comments - who cares ?

Grrrrrrr !
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Lady Hale's 'spider' brooch could hardly be missed . . . . was she sending a message to BJ - maybe, "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we venture to deceive".

In fairness, I'd say BJ's request to prorogue was 'sharp practice' to a degree, but no more so than the Opposition refusing to enable an Election.

Back in your Box Judges !! All eleven of you  8)

"The Crown’s power to prorogue has always been treated “a proceeding in Parliament” – a category of power explicitly protected from judicial interference by the 1689 Bill of Rights. In 2014, the Supreme Court itself ruled that the Crown’s actions in Parliament were sacrosanct and “cannot be questioned”. Yet, this week, it ruled the opposite" . . . . . . .

" Judges are not elected and they are not accountable to voters. They have no democratic right to redefine relations between our highest political institutions at the stroke of a pen. They have no right to throw us into a constitutional void in such a slapdash manner, with so little regard for the sweeping consequences. Our judges are there to be fair-minded interpreters, and not authors, of the law. For hundreds of years, they have understood their role and exercised proper restraint in sticking to it."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/entangled-politics-court-has-wrongly-seized-supreme-power/
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How about we get Nigel & the Brexitiers to find Guy Fawkes  and send him to Brussels in 37 days time?
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KC I've seen it suggested that Nigel Farage might be dispatched to Brussels as our Commissioner  :o  That should stir things up !

I wondered why Boris seems to have retreated from the idea to defy the 'Benn Act'.
Looks like the redoubtable Geoffrey Cox may have had a hand in it. Good Guy IMO.

"Boris Johnson has been warned the Government’s chief law officer will resign if he does not write to Brussels to ask for a Brexit extension, The Mail on Sunday has learned. Attorney General Geoffrey Cox is understood to have conveyed the threat during a ‘heated’ exchange with the Prime Minister over the Government’s concession to a Scottish court last week that Mr Johnson would comply with the Commons’ order to ask for a delay if no deal is agreed by October 19."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7541861/Geoffrey-Cox-threatens-resign-Boris-Johnson-doesnt-ask-Brexit-extension.html

Also in the piece, Cox's hand mentioned again :-

"Mr Cox is already regarded by many Conservatives as ‘the wrecker’ who sank Theresa May’s hopes of winning Commons’ support for her Brexit deal earlier this year. At the time, even Brexit hardliners were looking for reasons to support the deal. But the Attorney General spelt out in blunt terms that the UK had no legal way out of the hated backstop."

All good fun !




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Roger, I have been watching both Jeff Taylor (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE3181Md63Eg7uTybf6HgNw/featured) and Mahyar Tousi (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjJec0wv1EUomjrBNt1xCTA) on YouTube, for a lot of my insight to the ongoing saga.
Also just read this in the Sun. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10074761/tony-parsons-pm-believes-in-britain/ Plus many more offerings in the main Brexit tab in the Sun. Seems like Bo Jo has a 15 point lead according to this https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/.

Hopefully this will get the job done.
We will be in Londinium from the 20th to the 27th of this month, I told the wife that we will not be visiting anywhere near the centre of town, if the weather is fine might do some trips out of town.

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Here is more from our friend Nigel,
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SodBcsQDQI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SodBcsQDQI</a>
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Thanks KC - I devoured all of that  ::)

In the DT today - nice cartoon IF nothing else.

"The public will blame Parliament, Remain MPs and Brussels more than Boris Johnson if Brexit is delayed, a poll has found, as Britain edges closer to a general election. In a boost for the Prime Minister as he comes under increasing pressure to extend Article 50, the ComRes survey for the Telegraph found that only just over half of voters (56 per cent) would blame Mr Johnson if Brexit does not happen on October 31.

That compares with more than eight in ten voters (83 per cent) who said they would blame Parliament, while 70 per cent said they would hold Remain MPs responsible and nearly two thirds (63 per cent) would point the finger at the European Commission
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/07/parliament-remain-mps-will-blamed-boris-johnson-brexit-delay/
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Thanks Roger,
Yes great cartoon, especial with the extinction rebellion just happening, another bunch that don't know sh*t from fried eggs.
The re moaners are clearly afraid of a general election and are scared, as they know they wont win in the poles.
This whole thing of the courts messing with the political will of the people is dangerous may be another rebellion is due to restore every ones faith in a true democratic process, may be we could see Manga carta II Version 2019?
I firmly believe that the judiciary is there to enforce the law of the land not to make it up. These judges have in my view stepped over the boundary and should be disbarred for life. Even as they do in North Korea your whole family is incarcerated too!
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The shit has hit the fan.  Merkel has let slip the perfidious EU's real agenda.  NI must stay in customs union forever. No deal is going to happen!!


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Just hope the EU gangsters have learnt a lesson - don't f**k with the Brits. Now let's just get out and get on withour new destiny.


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So Bo Jo doesn't need help from Hungary any more, good may be Germany will leave the EU as the communist Witch Merkel is taken down. I feel the EU will finally crumble in the next 5 years, who will be next, Greece or Italy?
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Irish backstop - the light bulb moment   ::)   'the EU have long believed that this was the anvil upon which they could smash Brexit.' Iain Duncan Smith :-

"We are entering the end game of the Brexit talks, the final realisation that the EU has been negotiating in bad faith right from the very start. It is clearer than ever that Brussels’s objective all along has been to keep the UK bootstrapped to the EU.". . . . . .

. . . . . . ". . . Irish backstop? It was a trap made possible by Dublin’s demand that there be no hard border on the island of Ireland: the EU have long believed that this was the anvil upon which they could smash Brexit. And it was entrapment by design. Enda Kenny, the predecessor of the current Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, started work to mitigate the need for a hard border. After taking office, however, Varadkar scrapped that work and insisted on the backstop – even though it had been clear for many months that alternative arrangements could be effective.

We know this because Varadkar and the EU have previously said that in the event of no deal there need not be a hard border on the EU’s side.". . . . .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/08/eu-has-negotiated-bad-faith-along/
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I see Witch Merkel just helped BO JO by saying no deal, You can't make this stuff up. But I think it would make a horrible movie. Opps you saw it too Roger! Jeff Taylor has just posted this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6FE5nRs7I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6FE5nRs7I</a>
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Another worth watching:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weAruOCjMRc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weAruOCjMRc</a>


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yes CK I saw that one too, some good history lesion from these 2.
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