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U.S. Supreme Court throws out Texas lawsuit contesting 2020 election results in four battleground states

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results
The election will now be official after the Electoral College casts their votes on Monday.


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Trump is desperate to say in the Whitehouse. What an embarassment.

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Thanks Alfie and more embarassments to come for sure.

However, well done to Ms. Sturgeon for putting the kybosh on DT's possible travel plans for later this month : "Scotland's leader Nicola Sturgeon says US President Donald Trump will not be allowed to visit Scotland to play golf during Joe Biden's inauguration, arguing Trump is subject to coronavirus travel curbs." And "Sturgeon, who has criticised Trump in the past, told reporters she had "no idea" of his travel plans, joking that she hoped they would be "to exit the White House".

From the dubiously named organ, TR(O)T World . . . ?

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/scotland-won-t-allow-golf-trip-for-trump-on-biden-s-inauguration-42993


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"Raphael Warnock became the first African-American to win a US Senate seat in Georgia, as fellow Democratic contender Jon Ossoff clung to a narrow lead in a second contest that will decide which party controls the upper chamber of Congress. As of 2am US Eastern Standard Time, Mr Warnock had 50.5 per cent of the vote with a lead of roughly 57,000 over Republican incumbent Kelly Loeffler, prompting the Associated Press to declare him the victor. In the other Georgia Senate race, Mr Ossoff led Republican incumbent David Perdue by about 9,500 votes. Roughly 4.4m votes had been counted by 2am, with many of the remaining ballots expected to come from areas that favour Democrats."

. . . . . . . "If Republicans were to win the second race, they would maintain control of the upper chamber and with it the power to obstruct Mr Biden’s legislative agenda. But if Mr Ossoff is victorious, they will control the Senate by the narrowest of margins, 50-50, with incoming US vice-president Kamala Harris casting the tiebreaking vote."

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I see today that the would-be dictator of the BRA (Banana Republic of America) has added a new definition to his version of democracy'!  What a farce! 


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It's mind blowing stuff Hector   >:(

To think this Guy is still in charge if a serious security or international crisis arises.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9120399/Donald-Trump-BANNED-Twitter-12-hours.html
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America hangs it's head in shame today.

Many pics in this link, including rabble rousing from Eric Trump, who should IMO be put on trial.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9118653/Thousands-Trump-supporters-gather-White-House-Save-America-rally.html
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"It's just that he's not very presidential"
Now seems to be a bit of an understatement


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Being able to inspire the degree of loyalty that Trump can, has, IMHO, a disadvantage - it's a mindset that can breed serious evil - there have been other examples.

Thank God that Trump has signalled he'll go quietly   ;D

What a shambles. Come on America - we all know you are better than this   :'(
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I wonder if they will invoke the 25th Amendment and remove him? There must be serious concerns that he might engineer military aggression with Iran, although I can't see the Joint Chiefs of Staff accepting any order as legitimate with less than two weeks until Biden comes in. But Trump has replaced various key leaders in the Pentagon with loyalists. I might be wrong, but I think any serious military action needs the approval of Congress, which clearly he would never get.

Yesterday's events may well have signalled the end for Trump. He might be frozen-out of all media to stop him doing any further damage.

EDIT: as at 5.15pm UK there are increasing rumours that he will be removed ASAP.


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Even a Donald Trump devotee flags a warning light to his loony Leader :-

 "At a press conference Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham said he is against Vice President Mike Pence invoking the 25th Amendment and removing President Donald Trump from power at this time. . . . . 'I do not believe that's appropriate at this point,' Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 'I'm looking for a peaceful transfer of power. If something else happens all options would be on the table.' " . . . . . .

"'The president needs to understand that his actions were the problem, not the solution,' the South Carolina Republican said. 'The rally yesterday was unseemly, it got out of hand.' 'A good friend of mine Rudy Giuliani did not help,' Graham added."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9124005/Graham-says-Trump-not-removed-unless-happens.html
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The DM does a good job when it's out of people's private lives. IMO a clear review of President Trump's potential second Impeachment . . . .  :o   ::)

"House Democrats on Monday will circulate an article of impeachment charging President Trump with 'incitement of insurrection' after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told his Republican colleagues in the upper chamber that the earliest a second trial would begin is Inauguration Day."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9129233/Mitch-McConnell-says-Trumps-second-Senate-impeachment-trial-begin-Bidens-inauguration-day.html
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Well another impeachment just before Biden's swearing in  :0/
From what I've seen and read I don't think they really have a choice as it looks like at the very least Trump supported and or encouraged the incident at the Capitol
After a hunt on the net I managed to get a bit of a timeline on events and what happened and what was said
I personally don't see how Trump's not guilty of inciting this, once you look at what he tweeted during the Capitol event

   
1:26 police order evacuation of the Capitol
1:34 Mayor Bowser calls secretary of Army requests additional forces (National Guard). 15 mins later DC Capitol police Chief requests immediate  assistance
2:00 Police lines breached east and west side of Capitol
2:22 Pence escorted out of chamber
2:24 Trump tweets: "Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect you country or constitution"
2:30 House breached
2:38 Trump tweets: "please support police and law enforcement, stay peaceful"
3:13 Trump tweets asking everyone remain peaceful party law and order (no request to leave the Capitol)
3:51 National Guard mobilized   
4.17 Trump calls for rioters to go home:  "you are special we love you"
 
At 2:24 Trump throws Pence( his most loyal supporter) to the wolves

There also needs to be an investigation as to the security of the Capitol and the delays in getting the National Guard there over 2 hours to mobilization from first call ??
I understand that they needed senior personal at DOD to approve and they were all new to the job having only being appointed after the election  :0/  go figure


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At this point there seem to be two likely outcomes:

1. Impeachment process begins, coupled with calls for Pence to use the 25th Amendment. Pence is unlikely to do this as much because his cabinet has been filleted and made ineffective through resignations and the presence of temporary members; the cabinet may not have the legal standing to enact 25A. The focus switches to Impeachment and reaches the senate shortly before Biden's inauguration (perhaps on the 19th). The Senate, knowing it has more important work to do than impeach a former president, delays a vote for 100 days. Once they do vote even a conviction merely results in barring Trump from future office (and removing his pension and Secret Service protection). More likely a back room deal will be done and Trump will shuffle-off to relative obscurity.

2. Trump sees the writing is on the wall, does not want to risk being the first president to be impeached twice (and the first be convicted), so 'does a Nixon' and resigns. But first he spreads pardons like confetti. Rudy G is particularly keen to get one - he is currently peddling the conspiracy theory that the breaching of the Capitol was the work of BLM and Antifa agitators who had infiltrated the event, ignoring the fact that these groups have 'won' and that overturning the result would be beyond stupid.... Giuliani is proving to be the most dangerous and lunatic of Trump's (increasingly small) inner circle. 


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CK I think number 2 would be the best option
If he ran again in 2024 I can't see American wanting another 4 years of this .So any thing to stop him spreading his crazy would be a good thing
He resigns Pence pardons him he lives WA quiet life in Florida
But then again I just can't see him keeping to a deal or being quiet for that matter :0/
Maybe number 3 give his twitter back and enough  rope and he hangs himself


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CK I think number 2 would be the best option
If he ran again in 2024 I can't see American wanting another 4 years of this .So any thing to stop him spreading his crazy would be a good thing
He resigns Pence pardons him he lives WA quiet life in Florida
But then again I just can't see him keeping to a deal or being quiet for that matter :0/
Maybe number 3 give his twitter back and enough  rope and he hangs himself

I read that Ivanka is planning to attend the Inauguration. Aside from the issue of whether she is actually invited (and given the limited numbers I cannot see why they would), it is speculated this is to keep her ambitions of a future political career alive.

I agree with you. We may well have seen the last Donald senior, but not the last of the Trump family. Don Jr and Ivanka may be around for years to come leveraging their father's legacy.


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"WASHINGTON — The House of Representatives on Tuesday took another step toward impeaching President Trump, passing a resolution urging Vice President Mike Pence to use the 25th Amendment to strip Trump of his powers in the wake of the Capitol siege.he third-ranking House Republican, Rep. Liz Cheney, said Tuesday she will vote to impeach Trump with up to a dozen Republicans expected to follow her" . . . . . . .

. . . . “There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution,” Cheney said in a statement."

https://nypost.com/2021/01/12/house-passes-resolution-urging-pence-to-invoke-25th-amendment/?
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