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You are talking nonsense.

Funny, that's what I think about you! So we will have to agree to differ.

As for the rest of your post? Way too defensive Anton - sign of a guilty mind perhaps?





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Benelux stand for Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg so please keep us out of this topic please  ;D ;D ;D

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Benelux stand for Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg

My sincere apologies

You mean you REALLY didn't know what Benelux stands for?  :o
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You mean you REALLY didn't know what Benelux stands for?  :o

I was having a senior moment!  ;D


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Shocking. I have biked many times up to Hat Chao Samran from Cha am - even sat on the beach on a Christmas day and rang the UK. It's a quiet ride and usually a very quiet place. Reads as if this Family got on the wrong side of some (Motor) Bikers !
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Yes Evra and Cantona together.
I notice that Evra was sent off, before K.O. and he was on the bench.
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^ A cracking kick. :) There's a video of it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41866778
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From today's DX - in Phuket :-

''British Army veteran viciously mugged by Thai gang at start of dream holiday''.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/876300/Army-veteran-Mik-Laverty-mugged-Thai-gang-Phuket-Island-Durham
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Awful stuff Anton but does it help answer the question ?
Youths on a 'high' misbehave everywhere in the World.
I wonder if there any reliable statistics to answer the question - for, to be the 'land of thugs', Thailand would have to be notably worse than most other Countries ?   :-\
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Self explaining video uploaded last night.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su7XsMdxy4E" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su7XsMdxy4E</a>
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Police is searching for two youngsters who shot and killed a 22 y.o. man in front of his family, including a 3 y.o. child, apparently for futile motives, in Ban Nong Duang, Khok Kruat subdistrict, Mueang, Nakhon Ratchasima. From yesterday's news.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZcOVOeazo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZcOVOeazo</a>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAcRgg18Z4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAcRgg18Z4</a>
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The people using violence in the video of reply 46 seemed to be wearing a uniform. It's not clear to me what it is but it looks like an emergency service type uniform (Huk 31 type first responder service - but not necessarily Huk 31).
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The people using violence in the video of reply 46 seemed to be wearing a uniform. It's not clear to me what it is but it looks like an emergency service type uniform (Huk 31 type first responder service - but not necessarily Huk 31).

That's right: not Huk 31 but another one of those many philanthropic societies, usually praiseworthy, whose mission is to serve their fellow-men in urgent need. The poster's ironic comment is precisely about that contradiction.

I remember a news item, years ago, about members of two rival societies of this kind, coming to shoot at each other while quarrelling about which one of the two should rescue victims of a certain accident. If I remember well there was a fatality among them, too. Maybe some other forum member can recall better.
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Anton I noticed this again in the BKK post yesterday - what an absolutely shocking crime.
The 7 convicted include 4 sons of Policeman, and got sentences of between 12 and 18 years. Apparently the murder was partly triggered at the behest of the 19 year old Girl shouting 'Kill him'. I wonder if the Family's appeal to the Court for longer sentences will succeed ?

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1386278/court-jails-7-for-murder-of-disabled-bread-man?utm_source=enewsletter_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_term=news

It seems hard to believe that a 'lynch mob' like this can happen in Thailand, even though it's BKK.
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A horrific crime to be sure but I think the sentences are severe enough, that's ca 100yrs between the 7 of them.

If such a crime were to be tried in the West I suspect that with each suspect having their own lawyer, deals would be done, the suspects would give evidence against each other etc.
I'd guess that the result would be a damn sight less than 100yrs of bird and the trial would go on and on and cost a fortune.
So justice has been done IMHO.


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Dam and Anton, thanks for those cautionary reminders !
I'd like to think that such appalling incidents, as on both these threads, are still relatively rare. However, point well made and absorbed. ATB
 
 
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Hi Anton - there's been some interesting posts about both Thailand and the UK on this thread. Surely after recent events the focus should now be on France. This report is from the DX but it's confirmed by wide coverage on France24 :-

''THUGS ran amok up and down France torching more than 1,000 cars and attacking police in a night of chaos on the streets. New Year celebrations were marred by 510 people arrested and 1,031 cars being set alight, according to official numbers from the interior ministry.

The numbers were up from 456 arrests and 935 cars torched last year. And eight police officers and three anti-terrorist Sentinel soldiers had been injured on Sunday night.

In one brutal attack, in Paris, a female police officer and her colleague were beaten to a pulp by a group of men as she tried to break up a brawl in Champigny-Sur-Marne, in the south-east of the city.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/899126/Emmanuel-Macron-France-New-Year-thugs-revolt-torching-1000-cars-lynching-police

I can't remember events of this gravity in the UK - truly shocking. It seems that good 'ole mainland Europe has plenty of hooligans too !
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Good afternoon Anton,

Looking back, I noticed this in your Reply 7, ''My purpose in opening this topic, if any, was to dismantle the "Land of Smile" generalization about Thailand.''

Alfie in the first reply wrote,''I don't think Thailand is particularly bad for violence. When I read the news from the UK, there seems to be no shortage of it there, but I suppose it's hard to give an accurate comparison.''

That showed at the start, that the thread was all about comparisons or relativity . . .

You then posted, ''Without offence: the UK is known to be land of hooligans'' and seemed later to think that 'The Clockwork Orange' proved something.

We were at Reply 61 when as part of the discussion, I posted ''THUGS ran amok up and down France torching more than 1,000 cars'' which seemed relevant enough and in the spirit of the overall search for the answer.

For the life of me I don't see why you became let's say, animated !

Respectful of your objections, I will think of an appropriate 'Header' for a new thread on the same subject. OK ?

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Not the 'Land of Smiles' for today anyway  :o

''A police source said: The suspects parked the motorcycle in front of a stall selling pork in downtown Yala ... it detonated 10 minutes later killing three civilians and wounding 19 others.

"It's the first big attack in downtown Yala in two years and is quite serious because people died."

The stall's female owner and a male customer were among the three people killed, police said.
The bomb blew off chunks of the market's corrugated tin roof and wrecked nearby stalls.
The southern provinces have seen hundreds of attacks since 2004, many of them deadly, but this is the first such attack in recent month
s.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/908031/Thailand-market-bomb-motorcycle-terror-Yala-Malay-Muslims
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