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So much for the 'Land of Smiles'. 'Slavery' in the Fishing Industry seems to have been around for some time and still continues. In the BKK Post today :-

''In a report released on Tuesday, HRW included testimonies from some 248 current and former fishermen who described their horrific working conditions. The workers, almost all from Myanmar and Cambodia, were interviewed between 2015 and 2017. "It was torture. One time I was so tired I fell off the boat, but they pulled me back on board," Zin Min Thet from Myanmar was quoted as saying in the report. "You can't leave because if you leave you won't get paid, and if you want to leave at the end it's only if they let you," another fisherman Bien Vorn from Cambodia told the New York-based rights group.

The study found three-quarters of migrants working on Thai fishing vessels have been in debt bondage and work at least 16 hours a day.
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https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1400762/it-was-torture-grim-tales-in-thai-fishing-sector?utm_source=enewsletter_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_term=news

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Without doing research, surely Thailand has legislation that mirrors the UK Gangmasters & Anti Slavery legislation (see http://www.gla.gov.uk/who-we-are/legislation/). Most countries tend to match internationally-accepted standards and Thailand is surely an advocate of human rights and anti-slavery.

But the unspoken truth is that the exploitation of cheap (or free) labour, and the resulting profits, are a temptation that the 'powers that be' cannot resist. We all know this is not happening in the shadows: it is happening in the full glare of daily life, and the props that support it are the ones who reap the rewards and avoid the repercussions.


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When I read of these events, I thought with my own 'prejudice', crikey, they're bound to be Brits. Shame on me ! I have never fancied a cruise myself, but the way public behaviour is going down it will mean that Cruise Liners will need cell blocks.

Thailand - is it the 'Land of Smiles' - maybe - who knows  ;)

Alfie in the first reply wrote,''I don't think Thailand is particularly bad for violence.
Just don't go cruising M8 !

''A cruise ship that had to have 23 members of an unruly family booted off after a mass brawl has docked in Melbourne. Passengers described three days of mayhem during what was supposed to be an ideal holiday through the South Pacific. The Carnival Legend arrived at its homeport in Melbourne on Saturday, following an unscheduled stop to offload the 23-member family at Eden on the the New South Wales south coast.

An NSW Police investigation is now under way into the brawl that broke out in the early hours of Friday at the ship’s nightclub. Lisa Bolitho, a passenger, said the “big Italian family” spent the past few days attacking “Aussies”. “Very violent, they were full-on attacks,” she told reporters on Saturday.

“The captain said ‘What do you want me to do about it - throw them overboard?’. “We’ve all made several complains saying kids were scared. They saw people getting strangled and punched up
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/17/cruise-ship-on-which-big-brawl-broke-out-to-dock-in-melbourne
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“The captain said ‘What do you want me to do about it - throw them overboard?’.

Well that would be a start!


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Alfie in the first reply wrote,''I don't think Thailand is particularly bad for violence.
Just don't go cruising M8 !

''A cruise ship that had to have 23 members of an unruly family booted off after a mass brawl has docked in Melbourne. Passengers described three days of mayhem during what was supposed to be an ideal holiday through the South Pacific. The Carnival Legend arrived at its homeport in Melbourne on Saturday, following an unscheduled stop to offload the 23-member family at Eden on the the New South Wales south coast.

An NSW Police investigation is now under way into the brawl that broke out in the early hours of Friday at the ship’s nightclub. Lisa Bolitho, a passenger, said the “big Italian family” spent the past few days attacking “Aussies”. “Very violent, they were full-on attacks,” she told reporters on Saturday.

“The captain said ‘What do you want me to do about it - throw them overboard?’. “We’ve all made several complains saying kids were scared. They saw people getting strangled and punched up
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/17/cruise-ship-on-which-big-brawl-broke-out-to-dock-in-melbourne

What has an Australian cruise with Italian thugs got to do with my quote, Roger? I can't quite see the connection. (And FYI I've been on a cruise and it was a very civilised affair with no thugs on board).
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Alfie it's just that I don't think that Thailand is particularly bad for violence either.
It was very surprising to see it on a cruise - maybe that's the first time it's happened ?
Glad you enjoyed your cruise.
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Ah, OK. I see where you're coming from now, Roger.
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Our Land of Smiles - A long article about untimely and unresolved deaths of young people in Thailand from today's DT. Neither the UK's Foreign Office nor the Thai Police come out of this read very well IMO. Pictures of the victims don't copy from the DT Premium page but maybe worth a read :-

''The parents of a young British woman who died in Thailand have said they will never know what happened to her because the Foreign Office ignored them for three weeks. Christina Annesley, 23, a Leeds University History graduate, died on Koh Tao island just over three years ago and her death is still unexplained. Her parents, Margaret and Boyne, say her body was left in a temple for days before an autopsy was performed, meaning the results could not be accepted by a UK coroner. They say that the lack of contact from the Foreign Office meant they didn't know they could have brought her body back to the UK for post mortem.

The Annesleys and other family members of young people who have died abroad under unexplained circumstances, including the sister of Hannah Witheridge who was raped and killed on Koh Tao in 2014, and the mother of Kirsty Jones who was raped and killed in Chiang Mai in 2000, are set to deliver a petition to Theresa May asking for better consular assistance in such circumstances. They are calling for proper translation services and support, and for warnings to be issued about countries where multiple young British people have died. A debate will take place in parliament today [WED] on how Foreign Office can better help families with relatives who have died abroad. It was secured by Hannah Bardell MP, whose constituent Kirsty Maxwell died abroad under unexplained  circumstances.

An autopsy of Ms Annesley performed in Thailand suggested she died due to a mix of alcohol and prescription medication, some of which she was taking for a chest infection. However, her parents began to suspect foul play after concerns about the police investigation and speaking to other parents whose children died in suspicious circumstances on the same island. Mrs Annesley, 58, and Mr Annesley, 66, told The Telegraph the Foreign Office did not make them aware their daughter could have had an autopsy in the UK instead of Thailand, and left them to their own devices even though they were "grief stricken and desperate for advice." They said: "When we learned of our daughter’s death we were given a contact name in the FCO who we initially contacted for advice. We tried to contact this person over a 3 week period with no response until we were finally advised this contact was in the middle of being transferred, so we were given an alternative contact." The Annesleys said that they were only told about the possibility for their daughter's autopsy to be carried out in the UK from family and friends, but: "by that time it was too late as the post mortem had been already carried out and her body embalmed (so that we may see her one last time).

"However we did insist on asking for blood samples to be kept before embalming but had to pay for them or they would not give to us. When they eventually arrived here in the UK they were not in a suitable state for the UK Coroner to use, as the process used in Thailand greatly hinders any post mortem analysis here." The Thai police also failed to interview the last person to have seen Ms Annesley, who was identified on CCTV. Thai police refused to let the Annesleys view the footage.

The grief-stricken parents told The Telegraph they will "never know now [how she died] and never have that opportunity as all evidence has been lost, damaged or contaminated."
The families' petition will be presented to the Prime Minister on March 6. The Annesleys say they want the FCO to advise people of the dangers of travelling to Thailand, and Koh Tao in particular, and "if the worst happens not to allow a post mortem or have their loved ones bodies embalmed and certainly not cremated in Thailand, and to provide a list of English speaking translators and lawyers to assist families in those countries." They added: "Had the FCO made us aware of the dangers of going to Thailand, particularly Koh Tao, Chrissie may never have gone there."

Pat Harrington, who organised the petition, after her son die on Koh Tao in unexplained circumstances. She told The Telegraph: "I basically want the government to look into all the suspicious deaths abroad particularly Koh Tao. "Ben was killed in 2012, things have never added up the coroner ... didn’t feel she had enough evidence to satisfy it was an accident, too many inconsistencies, I then started to see a pattern of suspicious deaths on the island, we have a group of parents who have been through the same, their children have been killed there and the Thais have put them all down to accidents and suicides which are all totally wrong. "I started a petition in July, my MP is 100 per cent with me and will be accompanying us to Downing Street to present the signatures, he is doing his own investigations and so far has found how unsafe it is there." The Foreign Office did not respond to request for comment.

A group of family members of young British people who have died abroad in unexplained circumstances are due to present Theresa May with a petition on March 6 at 3pm in Whitehall. They are asking the Foreign Office to make sure "justice is served" for those who have died in suspicious and unexplained circumstances.

Ben Harrington, 32, died on the island of Koh Tao in 2012. His mother Pat Harrington does not accept the explanation given by Thai police that he died after his motorbike crashed into an electricity pylon. She said Thai authorities almost cremated his body the next day and that she had to "scream" and fight for this not to happen. Mrs Harrington says that officers took no photographs of the scene of the accidentand have no record of who found the body. Findings from the British post mortem contradicted the findings of the Thai autopsy, and while the death was ruled a  traffic accident in Thailand a UK coroner said the evidence was not sufficient to label it as such.

Liam Whitaker, 24, was found hanging in a Thai police cell in 2013 after being arrested for possessing methamphetamine. A UK coroner accepted he died from hanging and there were no injuries showing anyone else was involved. However, she was not satisfied there was a legal level of proof that he killed himself. She added that there appeared to be no motive for the hanging, with Mr Whitaker expecting his friends to return the next day and secure his release.

Andrew Apperley, 38, disappeared from a party at Ko Pha Ngan last year. Shortly before the father-of-one died, he sent a series of WhatsApp messages to friends which said: "OMG had a mad night, all the guys wanting [to] kill me," followed by another which referenced a "scary guy with the face mask". His body was found a few days later in the sea, and his mother said she will never know what truly happened after the coroner returned an open verdict. The coroner said there was a lack of evidence from the Thai authorities, who had not carried out a toxicology report.

Hannah Witheridge. The 23-year-old was raped and killed on the Thai island of Koh Tao in 2014. Two Burmese migrant workers were sentenced to death  for the murder of Miss Witheridge and fellow Briton David Miller, 24, on a beach. The pair claimed during their trial that they had been tortured to provide confessions. The family of Ms Witheridge has also criticised the "bungled" police investigation and accused the Thai police of using the Burmese workers as "scapegoats".

Luke Miller's parents have asked for answers after their 22-year-old son was found dead at the bottom of a pool on Koh Tao island in January 2016. Although the coroner ruled out foul play, his parents have accused the Thai police of a cover-up.Kirsty Jones

18 years on, the mother and father of Kirsty Jones are still looking for answers. She was raped and murdered aged 23 in a backpacker’s hostel in Chiang Mai in August 2000.
Despite semen being found at the scene, her killer remains at large. There were complaints of a botched investigation as Thai police failed to seal the crime scene and let TV crews into the room where she died.

The parents of Julie Pearson are involved in the campaign. She died aged 38 in 2015 from what Israeli pathologists have concluded were natural causes related to an internal bleeding condition in her stomach, but her family refute that finding.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/never-know-daughter-died-thailand-foreign-office-ignored-us/
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That's shocking Anton but unfortunately, this loss of self-control happens in many Countries. Certainly in the UK  :(

I had trouble getting my head around this one  :o   

The Bangkok red light district is set to be remodelled - in the style of the Cotswolds.

''Rattanakosin Island in the centre of the Thai capital, has been a prostitutes haunt for decades. Street girls cater to local men there, leaving tourist hot-spots to flashy gogo dancers seeking wealthy foreigners. But Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-Cha has declared its days are numbered after being inspired by Cotswolds' little Venice Bourton-on-the-Water, near Cheltenham.''

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7107019/Thailand-PM-inspired-Bourton-Water-swap-prostitutes-flowers.html
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