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Title: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on July 26, 2019, 07:40:42 AM
 BJ's arrival captured Daily Mail style  ;)

''The roars created an ear-splitting cri de joie – the sort that probably erupted in Roman amphitheatres whenever a gladiator speared his opponent through the spleen with a javelin.

The House of Commons, over which such gloom has hung for the past three years that you could have mistaken it for the wretched Miss Havisham’s attic, finally blasted back to life.

Tory MPs thundered as Boris Johnson entered the chamber, plonking his great gorilla hulk down on the green benches with a thud. They exploded with exuberance when he spoke of his plans to make the United Kingdom ‘the greatest place on earth
’.''


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7287229/HENRY-DEEDES-gladiator-speared-opponent-blasted-Commons-life.html
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on July 26, 2019, 07:42:46 AM
Hang on to your hats Guys  8)

''Boris Johnson has ordered Royal Navy warships to escort British-flagged tankers through the Gulf after ripping up Theresa May's Iran policy. The Union Jack-flagged Stena Important was watched over by HMS Montrose today as the frigate imposed herself on the dangerous waters in the Strait of Hormuz.

The policy U-turn was announced on Mr Johnson's first full day as Prime Minister after Mrs May's government claimed it lacked the resources to protect ships
.''

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7285319/Royal-Navy-escort-British-ships-Strait-Hormuz.html
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Thaiwolf on July 26, 2019, 08:39:51 AM
Boris is just what the UK needs.  I just hope everyone gives him a chance to succeed.  We have got the EU's balls in a vice now,  the German's are brickin'it - they are going to regret treating us like a naughty school boy.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: sfs on July 28, 2019, 03:14:02 AM
I could not agree more with you  Thaiwolf, he is like a breath of fresh air compared to the grey May and her cronies.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on July 28, 2019, 08:17:17 AM
Right on TW and SFS  ;)  Headline in the DT today about the PM's task . . .

To call the EU's bluff, Boris Johnson must grasp he is dealing with a bureaucratic psychopath

Writing of Johnson, ''such unpredictability is anathema to homo bureaucratus, that snarling, slow-witted behemoth in Brussels that Mr Johnson must take on. True to form, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, responded to our new PM with the contemptuous raising of a single legalistic eyebrow; in a communiqué to EU members, he rejected our PM’s “combative” request for “unacceptable” concessions.'' . . . . . . .

''No deal remains far more likely than a reopening of the Withdrawal Agreement. But the above approach at least maximises the possibility of last-minute concessions, if that is indeed what our new PM seeks. It is rumoured that the new mastermind of No 10, Dominic Cummings, relishes Russian novels. I suggest he spend the summer re-reading Solzhenitsyn and Sorokin; you don’t outwit bureaucracy by fighting it, but by pretending to play the game, while loosening the screws on the quiet.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/27/call-eus-bluff-boris-must-grasp-dealing-bureaucratic-psychopath/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Teessider on July 28, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a proven liar (IoM kippers, leave bus etc) but is a self obsessed opportunist. My worry is that he will throw a few billion quid at the country then when Brexit doesn't happen in October he will blame the EU  and call an election. With the opposition impotent he has a fair chance of increasing his majority.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: sfs on July 28, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
I think it very unlikely he will call an election if we don't leave on the 31st Oct, but every likelyhood of one just after we leave.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on July 28, 2019, 10:07:08 PM
I'm really interested in how all the doom merchants - Hammond et all, will respond to all of Boris? There's talk of Rory Stewart leading some sort of fightback, but what sort of response will they now get in their own party? I see Johnson already got a 10% bounce in the polls and it's worth considering how Labour will respond?

They are now, sort of, holding a remain position, but Corbyn and McDonnell increasingly look like yesterdays men, especially sat opposite Boris ripping them to shreds in Parliament  and if Labour MP's see their hopes of power slipping away, even with their contemptuous game of 'wait and see' over Corbyn and racism, they just might move to get rid of him, if possible, but then what? What's their stance on Brexit? The EU elections and Farage told both the Tories and Labour what awaits them if they don't deliver. The Tories and now Boris have moved on that, but Labour, apart from everything else, still have a huge racist cloud hanging over them (and some comments by senior Labourites to the diversity of Johnsons cabinet really are verging on racism. Basically equating some as being little more than Uncle Tom's), but if they still choose remain, I think Labour will suffer.

I think th4 biggest danger to Johnson lurks in his own party.

Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Alfie on July 29, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
Yes, interesting times ahead for the UK in the next 3 to 6 months. I think BJ will call an election after a) the EU refuses to drop the backstop and b) MPs refuse to allow and No-deal Brexit. Who will win that election is anybody's guess. It could end up being a coalition government.

But who will lead Labour into that election? The Conservatives have a new leader, the LibDems have a new leader, and there's talk (again) of replacing Corbyn before the next general election. A 10% bounce for new Tory leader Johnson but polls suggest getting rid of Corbyn will give Labour a 5% lead over the Tories.

The Brexit Party have been quiet recently but once an election is called they will be in the public eye again. But will they be able to get any seats in Westminster? I hope so.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Teessider on July 29, 2019, 04:11:31 PM
Alfie, yes that's what I think too. But for Labour to stand a chance  they will need to replace Corbyn preferably with an electable alternative, Yvette Cooper? Then a policy change to become a Remain party with agreements made wirh Lib Dems, Greens and SNP in key constituencies. The election then becomes a quasi second referendum.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on July 29, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Alfie, yes that's what I think too. But for Labour to stand a chance  they will need to replace Corbyn preferably with an electable alternative, Yvette Cooper? Then a policy change to become a Remain party with agreements made wirh Lib Dems, Greens and SNP in key constituencies. The election then becomes a quasi second referendum.

But you're assuming the election will take place before 31 October. That's pretty unlikely. Even arch enemy Grieve, a previous Attorney General, has said there is little that can be done to now halt Brexit.

And the chances are that there will be a deal, even if one isn't actually needed, or indeed a WA at all. The Germans are now facing 100k job losses as a result of a no deal and France 50k. The UK 12k.Ireland will get shafted again.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Teessider on July 29, 2019, 08:34:24 PM
No I'm not. I am assuming he will have difficulties pushing no deal through due to the many remainers in his own party. If he does get it through he won't need an election.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on July 29, 2019, 10:25:18 PM
No I'm not. I am assuming he will have difficulties pushing no deal through due to the many remainers in his own party. If he does get it through he won't need an election.

So you're saying the 'quasi 2nd referendum (election)' would take place after we have already left?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Teessider on July 30, 2019, 01:05:03 AM
No.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on July 30, 2019, 11:27:19 AM
Okay.

The YouGov poll in Wales shows Labour has the lowest support ever. Wales voted for Brexit. What can Labour do to change that? Promoting remain hardly seems the brightest of ideas.

It's early days, but the Tories, who lead the poll. but can't win the upcoming by-election, will go one of two way's, which is obvious - The Boris bounce will continue unabated or at some stage it will go into reverse. Unless he thinks that throughout the Country, he can win an election, thus naming a date before October 31, Boris can simply name the date after 31. Job done.

Another problem for Labour is that the Tories have stolen all their thunder on serious policy. What left is there for Labour to offer and who will trust them?

Even if Labour cobble together some form of Lib Dem / Green pact, that doesn't mean they will be fully supported by members of other parties and how will it work in practise, splitting up seats so an agreed party can not be hindered by one of their pact partners - but there's no guarantee that will be accepted by Joe Public. I would have thought many Lib-Dems would be horrified to be associated with a racist partner?

Anyway, it's all speculation and we'll all be redundant in a couple of months or so!  :)
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on July 30, 2019, 12:14:20 PM
'Remainer' and European K-F's seem quiet lately - so in the interests of balance, here's a different take on Boris Johnson from John Oliver. Some of the criticism's are well founded - Boris is a lively and sometimes flawed character but IMO, he is not to be underestimated. A read of BJ's book, 'The Churchill Factor', reveals BJ has a considerable intellect with a first class grip of detail, contrary to some observations.

https://www.youtube.com/user/LastWeekTonight
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: sfs on July 31, 2019, 12:16:38 AM
Hi Caller,

Despite that Yougov poll, having lived most of my life in Wales I can guarantee Labour would win if there is a general election, when push comes to shove I am sorry to say Wales will always be Labour..............sad.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on July 31, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Hi Caller,

Despite that Yougov poll, having lived most of my life in Wales I can guarantee Labour would win if there is a general election, when push comes to shove I am sorry to say Wales will always be Labour..............sad.

I think the question is not that they will win, but how many seats will they get?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2019, 02:03:52 PM
The interesting thing will be how many people vote for their "traditional" party and how many vote with Brexit as their priority.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Pompui on July 31, 2019, 04:40:26 PM
Is Boris a modern day Sir Winston Churchill?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/kathy-sheridan-boris-johnson-is-already-a-modern-day-churchill-1.3964983

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1141160/Boris-Johnson-news-UK-Tory-leadership-contest-race-latest-news-TV-debate-Winston-Churchill

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-boris-johnson-really-is-like-winston-churchill-joyce-mcmillan-1-4971340
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on July 31, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
Nice one Pompui - BJ has plenty of detractors. The book is worth a read to get the full perspective. ATB
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Alfie on August 10, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
Boris Johnson took to Facebook Live to speak to us from Downing Street. It's good to see him engaging with us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY5o5bybAGQ
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on August 10, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
Alfie I wonder if this is to be regular BJ feature ?  Let's see how it goes - I hope it doesn't descend into the sort of chaos that Trump has wreaked in the USA with his Tweets  ::)
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on October 02, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
Come on BJ - head held high (ish) in the face of a tsunami of abuse both political and personal.

"Boris Johnson is unstoppable. Literally. His interviewers can’t get a word in edgeways. Because the man simply will not stop talking.

Quite plainly, it’s a deliberate and well-honed technique. Call it the juggernaut, because that’s what it’s like: the helpless interviewer is utterly drowned out by a vast onrushing juggernaut of bluster, 10 solid tons of thundering waffle. BLAM! At maximum speed the juggernaut roars straight through all obstacles, traffic cones scattered, crash barriers crushed, its driver hell-bent on just blasting on through, zooming away from whatever question he’s been asked by babbling out buzzwords and unrelated policy announcements for whole minutes on end, louder and faster, louder and faster, the interviewer now no more than a frantic dot in his rear-view mirror
."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/01/boris-johnson-bbc-interviewers-nightmare-simple-reason/?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on October 15, 2019, 08:08:08 AM
Anyone listen to BJ in Parliament yesterday ?

I thought he performed very well and IMO, if we ever get an election and the Tories win, he will make an excellent Prime Minister and get things done in (hopefully) a positive post-Brexit era. Good to see his energy and competence  8)
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on December 19, 2019, 02:41:47 AM
I'm impressed - a Boris tree shake on the way ?   ;)

"So Boris and his ministers will not be attending Davos, next month's annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in the Swiss Alps. This is one contribution to reducing carbon emissions that is to be welcomed. No doubt we will be told by the Left that the fact that he does not want to fly to an expensive ski resort to hob-knob with the global elite is because he is insular and narrow-minded. In reality, this decision fits perfectly with a more complex political strategy. . . . . . .

. . . .This is just one of many areas where the economic liberals in the Conservative Party can unite with its new voters to oppose the forces that have the veneer of being pro-business but, in reality, have created a culture which is hostile to a free economy
."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/18/course-pm-right-ditch-davos-corporatist-charade-has-nothing/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on February 14, 2020, 12:38:05 PM
 :o  Bye bye Chancellor Javid . . .

IMO Boris may have made a good move - over decades Chancellors seem to have dominated rather than implemented the policy of the Cabinet in the best way. Perhaps it's a good thing to have a joint team of Advisors for No's 10 and 11.

 :-\
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on February 14, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
:o  Bye bye Chancellor Javid . . .

IMO Boris may have made a good move - over decades Chancellors seem to have dominated rather than implemented the policy of the Cabinet in the best way. Perhaps it's a good thing to have a joint team of Advisors for No's 10 and 11.

When you think how Hammond and his remainer advisors obstructed Brexit and thus democracy, and many advisors were still not sold on Brexit, plus the fact Javid simply didn't come across as dynamic enough and as Johnson doesn't want history repeating itself with his Chancellor, his ultimatum of do it my way, or no way, was for him, a shrewd move. Only time will tell if it was a wise move, but so far, breaking up the old order, has worked for him.

What I hope now is that after a few upheavals, that secretaries and ministers of state are given time to settle into and master their roles. Blair chopped and changed ministers following a policy of divide and rule, but I had first hand direct experience of how this impacted on ministers and the domains they controlled.  It really had a knock on, negative effect on my line of work.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 26, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
For many weeks I've been worrying about the UK's decision making in the Covid-19 crisis - it goes like this . . . .

Governments are there to govern and Scientists are there to explore/present science, be it say epidemiology or 'modelling'. It seems to me that in resorting to the cover of, 'we've been following the Science at all times' and 'we've been guided by the Science', the Johnson Govt. have in effect absconded from their duty to apply their own foresight, observances of events elsewhere and what we might call, 'common sense'.

Of course, the advice of Scientists is one vital factor in any decision, but it's for the Govt. to pick up the mantle of responsibility for the decision. I heard Matt Hancock, (good Guy but IMO out of his depth), defend a question from Keir Starmer at last PMQ's by using the 'Science' defence and sneering about hindsight - in the circumstances that was pathetic.

Four massive errors come to mind :-

1. The UK's long and fatal delay in implementing a 'lockdown' when the evidence from China, S Korea, Singapore, Italy, Spain and France was at hand.
2. Failure to promote the use of masks by the Public, particularly on transport and when shopping etc. Though distracted by NHS shortages the Govt. could have encouraged a 'Community aid' scheme with many 'iso' Folks making masks at home.
3. LHR is still accepting inward flights, maybe PAX 5000 per day even now, (many from the USA FGS), with NO health checks let alone the laudable compulsory quarantines implemented in Thailand.
4. Returning Covid-19 patients to 'Care Homes' was bizarre - what figure should be added to tragic 20,000 deaths in Hospitals ? Who knows ?

The Sunday Times seems prepared to defend their story last week about BJ's earlier absence from 5 'Cobra' meets and the suggestion that he did not take the threat of CV-19 seriously - (all long before his shaking hands debacle).

I wish Boris well and like him, but he has IMO made a monumental cack up of this crisis so far. I hope he starts his resumption with a sincere apology and in a different frame of mind.

I weep for my Country.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on April 26, 2020, 02:29:16 PM
Whilst I think errors have been made, by and large I disagree with your views.

Interesting you mention The Times, you usually quote The Telegraph. I have given up on the latter for now and find the best reporting of the crisis sans hysteria, is in The Times.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 26, 2020, 03:51:37 PM
Hi Caller, I use the DT more because I pay for access  ;)  but I also look at the Guardian, Indy, Mail and Times as possible. I agree the DT is getting feisty.

With the spin about being 'science led', the Govt seems to be painting itself into a corner. You 'largely disagree' - if that's re. the 4 'errors', I wonder which one you feel the Govt has done well with ? Late lockdown, LHR open, still no masks for the public or the care home saga. Come to that, PPE preparation and provision ?

A monumental cack up IMO. Good to disagree and thanks. R

Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on April 27, 2020, 06:15:22 PM
Late lockdown, LHR open, still no masks for the public or the care home saga. Come to that, PPE preparation and provision ?

A monumental cack up IMO. Good to disagree and thanks. R

It seems to me that you appear to treat everything in black and white and it's just not that simple. In many areas, I think the Governments response has been outstanding. Others not so - LHR, masks for the public, even PPE, where many NHS trusts have managed fine. I agree about masks, but where are you going to conjure up 65 million and that's enough for only one day, Not to mention that even medical experts in Thailand state they are of limited value. That's not my view, but who am I are to argue with experts.

What this Government will have learnt is which departments and PS' were able to up their game and those that have failed. Whilst the medical side of the NHS has been brilliant, clearly other areas have seen abject failure. But it's a fact that many of the skills needed during the virus simply weren't available to the civil service (and maybe the NHS) in a time of emergency. Hence outside expertise has been deployed where needed, some later than others. It will be interesting to see how Government reacts to such shortcomings when the dust settles
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 28, 2020, 08:15:03 AM
Hi Caller - thanks for yours.

BJ's comments yesterday were comforting - I feared he might cobble up some hasty exit moves. Regarding black and white, well unfortunately, locking down for a virus pandemic more or less requires just that mindset. Even now the UK doesn't have a good enough lockdown as volumes enter LHR unchecked and masks are not worn in public situations.

No one expected 65 million masks to have been 'conjured up', but you don't help the process by denying the need, as BJ & Co have done consistently. This could have been an inspirational self-help project for Folks in ISO but the Govt's brainless obduracy on the point has undermined this extremely important matter over the last month or two.

I'd stand by 'monumental cack up' as a fair description of the Govt's efforts, in an admittedly almost unprecedented situation. That's black  >:(  ATB
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on April 28, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
Even now the UK doesn't have a good enough lockdown as volumes enter LHR unchecked and masks are not worn in public situations.

Yet despite the above, they have managed to take control of the virus. Flights into the UK decreased massively once the lockdown started as hotels were closed thus denying tourists anywhere to stay. Most entering are those returning home, many others are changing flights to get home. What is it you specifically want the UK to do? The advice is clear - self-isolate.

My BIL is an aussie and after a much delayed journey home, he finally managed a 2.5 day journey home from Morocco-Stanstead-Dubai-Brisbane-2hr drive north with 2 fellow travellers and their son (driving), what did he have to do? Self-isolate.

Try this for masks:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/face-masks-coveted-commodity-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 28, 2020, 09:12:30 PM
Caller - I hadn't really thought about PAX in transit, (presumably they transit inside LHR), but as for Brits repatriating, IMO they should be in 'quarantine' for 14 days in the myriad of Hotels around LHR which should be reopened for the purpose.

" . . . they have managed to take control of the virus". I'm not sure about that - the figures don't look good. The virus may be going it's own course and let's hope the arrivals over these last weeks don't feed another wave later.

Thanks for the masks link - I'll do that tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 29, 2020, 07:52:45 AM
"Health authorities in Germany on Tuesday urged people to stay at home as much as possible after a key measurement of the coronavirus outbreak briefly rose above government targets. The reproduction factor  — the average number of people each infected passes the virus on to — briefly rose to 1 on Monday evening before falling back to 0.9 on Tuesday.“We don't want the number of cases to increase again. We don't want the health system to be overwhelmed. We don't want more people to die from Covid 19,” said Prof Lothar Wieler of the Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s infectious disease centre. “We must stick to the contact restrictions, keep at least 1.5 m apart and cover our mouths and noses on public transport and in shops,” he appealed to the public."

Two interesting graphics for Boris inside this article - (click when inside)

Deaths per million, by culture of wearing face masks
How masks and social distancing could be crucial [animated] (Airborne, sneeze, cough)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/28/germans-urged-stay-home-key-virus-measurement-rises/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on April 29, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
" . . . they have managed to take control of the virus". I'm not sure about that - the figures don't look good.

What figures are you looking at? Contagion and deaths are both on a downward spiral and it is now believed we are bellow a spread rate of -1. Remember UK deaths are announced when the death is registered, not when they occurred.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on April 29, 2020, 11:21:43 AM
If you have time please look at 'Deaths per million' inside the DT link in my previous . . I'd welcome any comments . . .

Downward but maybe for me, not strongly :-

"UK peak more prolonged than in Europe, experts fear - Britain's coronavirus death toll is growing by the day, but could it be Europe's worst? New analysis has revealed the UK's five-day average for Covid-19 fatalities is now the highest of any major European economy at this point in the pandemic's curve. Experts are concerned that the nation's peak is prolonging longer than that in Italy, Spain or France. Our data team explains the latest figures in three graphs. It came as the Office for National Statistics revealed a "perfect storm" in care homes as the coronavirus pandemic pushed the UK's weekly death toll to a 27-year high. The number of coronavirus fatalities in Britain's hospitals later rose by 586 to 21,678."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/28/tuesday-evening-news-briefinguk-death-toll-could-europes-worst/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Alfie on April 29, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
Boris Johnson and his fiancee Carrie Symonds have announced the birth of a son. A spokeswoman for the PM and his partner said both mother and baby are "doing very well".

Congrats Boris and Carrie.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on April 30, 2020, 10:35:56 AM

Downward but maybe for me, not strongly :-


Yes, I accept what seemed a positive has slipped slightly. But whilst I subscribe to The Telegraph, I will pass on it's maybe's, could be, type articles. If it wasn't for AEP and one or two others, I would probably cancel my subscription and just stick with The Times.


 
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 13, 2020, 08:22:52 PM
Just my 'penneth but IMO BJ is knackered and needs to take a rest. This is awful to watch. He is not well and needs to hand over to someone

https://youtu.be/xCrHjIqHTsE
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: sfs on May 13, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
I couldn't agree more Roger, he certainly isn't functioning as he was. Maybe just be in the background for now would be better. Bearing in mind he was in the intensive care for a few days and not long after that he was back, not enough recovery time in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Alfie on May 15, 2020, 06:29:30 PM
Boris looked OK to me. IMO, both he and Starmer are keeping it low octane due to the current situation.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 16, 2020, 06:32:03 AM
I hope you are right Alfie. I hope Boris is well, even though he's done a hero to zero for me with this CV-19 saga  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrHjIqHTsE&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: The Boris Cummings thread
Post by: Roger on May 25, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
It'll be interesting to see how this turns out  :(
Hard to see how BJ can save him . . . .

"Mr Cummings travelled 260 miles with his wife and four-year-old son to Durham on or around March 27, where he is said to have isolated for 14 days. But witnesses say they saw the adviser and his son outside the property on April 5, with others claiming they saw his car at Barnard Castle, 30 miles away, on April 12. Mr Cummings was then photographed in London on April 14. However he was then reportedly seen in Durham again on April 19."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/25/dominic-cummings-durham-boris-johnson-lockdown-barnard-castle/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on May 26, 2020, 10:11:21 AM
Sounds like a job for NSY!

Out of curiosity, is he well?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 26, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
What's NSY Caller ?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: jivvy on May 26, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
What's NSY Caller ?

New Scotland Yard ????
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on May 26, 2020, 07:02:38 PM
New Scotland Yard ????

👍
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 27, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
Thanks Guys - 'NSY' - that's a new one for me and Robert LOL   ;)  NSY because the original 4 Whitehall Place location backed onto 'Great Scotland Yard'. I also remember it in Victoria St. but am 'unsure of the present whereabouts' . . . in the lingo.

Meantime, poor old Dom  ::)  Apparently 6 Cabinet Ministers think Cummings should go and Durham Police are investigating further   ???

There's not much comfort here : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8359511/Majority-Conservative-supporters-believe-Dominic-Cummings-sacked.html

Meantime, I wonder what others think about this - the Media and Public camping outside personal residences of Public figures - it's a common practice and surely should be illegal because of the security risks.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 27, 2020, 05:35:54 PM
Is Cummings toast ?  :o

"Dominic Cummings replied indignantly when reporters suggested he had shown a cavalier attitude towards coronavirus and lockdown. "For years, I have warned of the dangers of pandemics," he insisted during his appearance in Downing Street's rose garden. "Last year I wrote about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning."

However, Mr Cummings' claim to have predicted the pandemic was not strictly true, Downing Street admitted on Tuesday night. In fact, sources confirmed that the Prime Minister's top aide secretly edited a year-old post on his personal blog last month to add a warning about coronaviruses.

MPs immediately accused Mr Cummings of misleading the nation by falsely making it appear that he had long warned about coronaviruses, and had always taken Covid-19 seriously
".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/26/dominic-cummingss-coronavirus-prediction-claim-undermined-emerges/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 27, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
An unsympathetic view . . . . .  ::)

"Perhaps on Sunday you watched the entire nation being lectured on what constitutes fatherly responsibility by Boris Johnson, a man who won’t even say how many children he has, and leaves women to bring up an unspecified number of them. Perhaps on Monday you watched the Guardian’s Rowena Mason being lectured in journalism by Johnson, a man sacked from a newspaper for fabricating quotes from his own godfather, and who blithely discussed helping a friend to have another journalist beaten up. Perhaps today, you heard Michael Gove tell LBC he has “on occasion” driven a car to check his eyesight."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 28, 2020, 04:15:08 PM
Who needs NSY ?   8)   "Dominic Cummings would not have been allowed to drive across China, Taiwan, or Korea to find a more congenial lockdown venue. He would have been stopped, arrested, and punished. In Wuhan his home would have been boarded up by Communist Party vigilantes before he had escaped." Sounds right to me LOL   ;)

"The scientists are warning again. They think that Europe and the US are dialing down containment measures before the tracking and isolation apparatus is fully in place and before the stock of infections has been cut to manageable levels"    :'(

"The rush to reopen is understandable. I don’t wish to enter arguments about morality and freedom. But as a matter of strict economics, the notion that we must pick between fighting Covid-19 and reviving growth is irritatingly misframed. The British authorities have shown - without apology - that if you are seriously incompetent, you get both the worst death toll in Europe and one of the worst economic hits as well. . . The danger ahead is (that the) economic deep-freeze . . . "   >:(

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/27/clean-exit-covid-19-implausible-frothy-markets-relying-thinning/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: dam12641 on May 28, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
Sigh.

Instead of opening "Boris Johnson threads" and "Donald Trump treads", why don't you take tour tinfoil hat off your head and open threads  like "Failed Socialists.", "Socialism is the biggest Evil in Society Today",  "The EUSSR was Biggest Mistake Since the Black Death","Obama was a Complete Twat" and "So Was Corbyn".

Go for it  Roger.

I won't hold my breath.
Stop presenting yourself as the voice of reason whilst you are so left wing you make Lenin look moderate.
Goodnight and goodbye.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: dam12641 on May 28, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
You Lefties amaze me.
You post this nonsense with the view that "Everybody will agree with me."

No. They won't. That is because the Left is in power.......well, nowhere.
Unless you count PRC, Venezuela and Cuba. The former USSR is now a Fascist state.

Every where that counts has rejected this perverted Socialist dogma. One hundred years of complete failure attest to it.
Stop it.

Your time is done, please just fade away into the mists of history.

Dale
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 28, 2020, 07:49:54 PM
Dam - your last post was purely personal ire and it's no problem to me at all. It's a Forum. If you have an opinion on BJ, Trump, EU, USSR, Obama, Corbyn etc. - let's hear it  8)  ATM do you have any point at all on events yourself ? If so then post it  ::)  It's easy to moan about someone else having a go.  Your turn  ;)

BTW - I was no Corbyn fan . . .

You certainly don't come over as the 'voice of reason' yourself RDRO.

Meantime, absorb the fact that your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 28, 2020, 07:56:52 PM
Just seen your second Dale - "Everybody will agree with me" ???   :-\

I don't think you read this Forum at all if you think I have that delusion   ;)

As for the rest - it's not about LEFT or RIGHT atm - it's about how successfully the UK or the USA for that matter, have handled this CV-19 crisis. On a logical basis without hindsight . . .

Anyway - Goodnight.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on May 28, 2020, 09:18:37 PM

Meantime, absorb the fact that your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is.

The problem Roger, is that you keep presenting your opinion as an absolute given. Not many of my friends in the UK would agree with you. Whilst accepting all has not been well, they take the view that on balance, with the unknown factors involved, that the Government have done okay. They also ask who could have done better? They also bemoan the scientists who seem as often as not, to contradict each other and are puzzled why the media appear to give so much prominence to those who criticise the Government scientists.

This has been doing the rounds. I would add The Telegraph to this list whilst not being able to comment on the TV companies, I would say the Guardian reports have been fairly balanced but their opinion pieces not.

Emily Maitlis summed up much of the illiberal media with her introduction to whatever it was she was meant to be presenting. I see that even the beeb have said she went too far and breached the rules on prejudice. Let's be honest, this is the same group that hate Brexit and will do whatever they can to bring about a change of Govt.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g0LhWJqm/thumbnail-FB-IMG-1590595365711.jpg)
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Teessider on May 29, 2020, 02:22:54 AM
This from the FT shows how well the UK govt are doing
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 29, 2020, 10:23:08 AM
Caller - riding the wave again ? My comment to Dam, "your Country (and mine) have made an almighty nonsense in handling this crisis - CV-19 that is", was a fairly meek and mild reply in view of Dam's posts, but anyway, Dam and I are OK so mai pen lai. As for 'opinions' and 'absolute givens' - 'et tu Brute'.

Let's clear this up too - on the CV-19 thread, your reply 490 attempts to 'demonise' and ridicule me for making a perfectly reasonable point -  that the UK had the advantage of watching other Countries/Govts. and the virus in action well before the danger arrived. Of course, I wasn't suggesting that the UK could or should do all that China did - but that the UK had the opportunity to see what was happening with the virus, what worked and what didn't, both in China and other Countries.

No need for these slap-downs IMO.

   
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 29, 2020, 10:26:36 AM
Dam - tks for the message. As for being a 'Leftie' - maybe I'm not quite as bad as you think . . . . in my time I've voted for Edward Heath, David Cameron, Theresa May and BJ (to my everlasting shame  ;)  ), twice   :-\
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on May 29, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
Sorry Caller some more points from your Reply 58 . .

Your Friends in the UK - why not get them to join K-F then we can hear their views direct. Really ? The Govt. has done OK ? In what respect ?

The 'Scientists' - another mess resulting from the Govt. bull about 'following the science' etc.

Emily Maitliss - I thought the Newsnight Editorial team and Emily were 'spot on' - as they say, truth hurts.

Teess - it's clear  that even when all relevant adjustments are made in posterity, the UK has NOT done well in this crisis . .
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: jungle on May 29, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
Teesider  great post
I believe that FT graph is probably  the best way to measure the mortality rate with out  accusations of the figures being manipulated
Would like to add  I enjoy  following  this forum with everyone's posts ,reply's and  different views 
Roger and Caller your many posts and subjects  keep this forum alive
Would be a boring old  world if we all  held the same beliefs  or keep quite when told to   









 
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: caller on May 29, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
Simple cold comparison stats are meaningless in the context of the virus.

As I'm obviously on a different wavelength to others here, I'm bowing out, but I stand by everything I have said or shared. Every response I get is the same, Sth Kora, China, Italy et al and we still don't know the reality from two of those three. And we cannot in any way compare to two of those three. Comparisons, in my opinion, are meaingless, just look at Thailand in that respect.

Reading UK Doctors talking about the beast they are confronting and the challenges they are facing demonstrated to me, that we are dealing with something that has no defined pattern or certainty of treatment. It was harrowing and answered some of my questions about why so many deaths were continuing in the UK. The virus seems to have become a more potent beast as it has moved westwards, as some research, not yet peer reviewed, is suggesting.

But anyway, please feel free to continue salivating over your keyboard in your orgy of blame.

Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on September 03, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
I watched PMQ's yesterday - it was the worst display of ill temper, irrelevance and poorly aimed bluster and rudeness that I have ever seen at the despatch box. I thought it was a disgusting display from BJ and he was rightly reprimanded by the Speaker several times. On this occasion, I felt ashamed that BJ was 'my' Prime Minister.

Worth a watch https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000m9n4/prime-ministers-questions-02092020  (Boris conducts his own orgy of blame LOL)

I don't usually like Michael Deacon's reviews in the DT, but he certainly hits the nail on the head here - "“This is a Leader of the Opposition,” squawked the Prime Minister wildly, “who backed remaining in the EU!” MPs looked at each other. No one had mentioned Brexit. The subject was education. There was an air of bemusement, even concern, as if the Prime Minister had just announced that he was the reincarnation of Rameses III, and intended to live on the moon with a sheep called Clive. Gently the Speaker attempted to jog Mr Johnson’s memory. “There are questions being asked,” he explained. “We do need to try and answer them.” "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/02/boris-johnson-has-got-raise-game-pmqs-total-shambles/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on September 06, 2020, 05:28:03 PM
Will Johnson continue his spoilt brat act at PMQ's this week ? Or will a fullsome apology be forthcoming  ;)

""Johnson attempted to turn the tables, suddenly suggesting the Labour leader had somehow been sympathetic to the IRA because he had worked under Jeremy Corbyn. “This is a leader of the opposition who supported an IRA-condoning politician,” said Johnson, to the bemusement of MPs on all sides of the house."

. . . . . "An angry Starmer pointed out he had in fact spent five years of his legal career prosecuting IRA terrorists and working with the intelligence services to bring terrorists to justice. Despite Hoyle’s request for Johnson to apologise he refused to do so. Patrick Stevens, a former colleague of Starmer at the crown prosecution service who was head of its international division, said the Labour leader’s legal career was beyond reproach. "I worked with Keir Starmer at close quarters for five years. His work with the CPS’s world-class counter-terrorism division – the most serious and sensitive the service faced – was unwavering. He was equally committed to the CPS playing its part internationally in the UK government’s national security strategies, leading the CPS to engage in some of the most difficult jurisdictions around the world. His efforts went way beyond just doing the job; personally I haven’t met anyone more committed to the rights of victims and witnesses and the protection of the public".
""

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/05/desperate-boris-johnson-to-step-up-personal-attacks-on-keir-starmer
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on September 13, 2020, 10:37:48 PM
Sweet Nora - even I can't follow my own mood swings about BJ   ;)

Could BJ possibly be RIGHT this time - if these two notable wonkers disagree with him ?

"Boris Johnson is facing mounting criticism over his plans to introduce legislation to override his Brexit deal, as former prime ministers Sir John Major and Tony Blair criticised the threat to break international law."

Looking around the state of the World - International law. MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/13/blair-and-major-hit-out-at-boris-johnsons-plans-to-override-brexit-deal
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on October 07, 2020, 09:47:15 AM
Profligate spending to alleviate the medical costs and financial effects of CV-19 will have to be recovered at some stage. It was plainly ludicrous to pretend that tax increases and spending cuts would be avoidable. Poor ole Sunak has the job. BJ addresses the Tory Party 'virtual' conference with his head in the clouds and it's bluster, blather and waffle.

"Boris Johnson's blithe optimism and self-conscious witticisms are exactly what we dont need right now.

As a response to a national emergency in a country with one of the worst Covid-19 death rates in the world, the prime minister's flippancy is worse than woeful. Pandemic? What pandemic? It was entirely understandable, though still bizarre, that the prime minister spent far more time painting a portrait of the sunny, green, wind-powered Britain of the far future than he did the rather more pressing public crisis of today. It was as if the UK already had its world-beating test and trace system, and was serenely exiting the crisis. Perhaps the prime minister has convinced himself of this alternative reality. He has rarely seemed more out of touch. 

The businesses going bust, the workers being sacked, the renters being evicted and the students denied an education are not much interested in where they'll be flying to on the hydrogen-powered machines of the future. Few will be distracted from their current fears by the prime minister's vista of the lovely cycling holidays and picnics they'll be organising in the British wild belt of the mid-2030s; quiche in the sky, you might say.

Unemployment will double by the time of the next Conservative conference, and the country will probably still be struggling with the economic aftermath of the coronavirus and Brexit. The impact of Covid may well be more permanent and thus more devastating to sectors of the economy than hitherto assumed. Even with a vaccine and a degree of herd immunity neither guaranteed the economy will have to undergo significant restructuring. Working from home, shopping online and nervously avoiding mass indoor gatherings are trends that are here to stay. 

In terms of confronting the reality of that, there is a stark difference between the gritty realism presented in his speech by the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, and the fantastical boosterism of Boris Johnson. Mr Sunak manages to sound regretful and sombre, even as he tells the public that things will not be as they were. Mr Johnson cannot help himself from sounding flippant, even as he assures the nation that things will return to pre-Covid normal.
   
Where Mr Johnson believes that Britain can merely press the reset button, Mr Sunak is thinking of a country that will have to move on, and how to deal with the pain. The leader of the Conservative Party even compared the coronavirus to previous attempted alien invasions over the past 1,000 years, as if this sub-microscopic organism could be seen off like Philip II of Spain or Adolf Hitler. It is ridiculous. 

Even his ambition to fuel every British home and car via wind-generated electricity by 2030 was just so much bluster, a talking point for the public and something novel for the media to splash on. Mr Johnson wishes to make wind power to Britain what oil is to Saudi Arabia. A fine ambition, and there is everything to applaud in millions of green collar jobs.

But, as they used to ask of Labour, where will the money come from? Who is to pay for this breakneck speed environmental revolution? Will it be taxpayers or consumers and businesses? Who will own the infrastructure and take the risks? As with nuclear, what will the pricing structure be in the long run? Is it even practical? The few billions committed by the Treasury is certainly not enough to make Britain the greenest nation on Earth.

Much the same financial scrutiny needs to be applied to yet another scheme for the state subsidising home ownership. If Mr Johnson is proposing that the taxpayer guarantees the debts of first-time buyers in return for a tiny 5 per cent deposit during a recession, he had better come clean about the exposure. The risks to the public finances of HM Treasury taking on the negative equity of young homeowners are clear and unacceptable. Still less desirable will be the effect on house prices, artificially inflating them, pushing them once again out of reach and demanding an even bigger state subsidy.

For a party supposedly devoted to the free market, individual responsibility and balancing the nations books, a state-fuelled housing boom attached to a one-way bet for first-time buyers is reckless. The British government should leave mortgages to HBOS, Santander, the Nationwide Building Society and others who better understand what they are doing. At any rate, it is unlikely that Mr Johnson will still be prime minister in 2030, to answer questions about failed policy moonshots. The irony may be that it will have to be a Labour government that has to deal with a decade of mismanagement. 

Some adore Mr Johnson's blithe optimism and self-conscious witticisms, the style and delivery honed in the Oxford Union Society, dashed-off columns in The Spectator and countless Tory rallies and after-dinner speeches. It works well as a pleasant diversion in normal times, especially in front of an audience of boozed-up businesspeople, starry-eyed Brexiteers or cultish Tory activists. As a response to a national emergency in acountry with one of the worst Covid death rates in the world, it is worse  than woeful; it is an insult.
"

I'm not sure this link will work but here it is . . https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/boris-johnson-conservative-party-conference-speech-coronavirus-b835670.html
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on November 26, 2020, 09:00:29 AM
Keir Starmer does a forensic on BJ's 'Ministerial Code' promises last year - felt quite sorry for Boris as KS tears the promises apart, one by one. Ruthless. Worth a watch  ;)

https://youtu.be/XH1t5onPecc?t=77
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on February 02, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
I like William (Lord) Hague - because we first saw him as a tot, I always think of him as a littl'un but he's 6' or more I believe. Even though he's a Tory, he often speaks good sense IMVHO   ;)

" . . . it has been heartening to witness the Government getting something very obviously right: the procurement of vaccines and their distribution to millions of people. Just as encouraging for the future was the measured reaction of ministers to the indefensible behaviour of the European Commission last Friday. Rather than anything threatening or jingoistic, Boris Johnson and his cabinet colleagues employed quiet reason and diplomacy to resolve the situation."

and "So it is worth noticing that the ship of government is sailing a little more smoothly now, even in the stormiest of seas, and it is impossible to avoid noticing that this has happened over the last two months. The Government is being run in a different way in February from the way it was run in November. There may be many reasons for that: ministers are more experienced in their jobs, the new Cabinet Secretary is well into his role, the Prime Minister took stock and saw that things had to change. All of these things are probably true. Everyone will recall, however, that something very specific happened in November. That was when Dominic Cummings left Downing Street and his role as the PM’s senior adviser."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/01/dominic-cummings-gone-government-has-rediscovered-succeed/
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread - hysteria - PC and wokeness rule ?
Post by: Roger on April 27, 2021, 10:08:44 AM
"Witnesses would take 'under oath' that PM said 'let bodies pile high'. Two witnesses who claim Boris Johnson did say he would rather have “bodies pile high in their thousands” than implement a third coronavirus lockdown are prepared to go public. Mr Johnson has denied saying the comment.

Johnson 'did make bodies pile high in their thousands comment', writes Peston
". Source ITN News.

Just MO but as BJ reels under waves of self-righteous PC outrage, led not least by the good 'ole whingeing Beeb, I feel a little sorry for him as his comment, (which he seems not to recall), is used to take him to the gallows - (oh God, should I have said that ?  ::) )

It is claimed that BJ said this after reluctantly agreeing to the second UK lockdown and he was apparently, somewhat agitated about that. Just MO but we should not pillory and exploit those under enormous pressure who let off steam with colourful but meaningful comments, in what should be private circumstances after all and which, if nothing else, point clearly to the passion felt for the point. One could guess, he didn't mean it, but it was his way of conveying effectively enough, the depth of his feeling.

Whilst such agitation and candour would be inappropriate in some other contexts, myself I want People like that around, rather than bland bureaucrats who can get nothing done   ::)

As for the cunning Cummings, a fine way to repay BJ's loyalty over the 'Barnard Castle' farce   ???

Media feeding frenzy alert   8)

Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on November 11, 2021, 10:05:01 AM
Boris is obviously doing what he does best atm - bouncing around - at once, 'inspiring' whilst evading issues.

I like BJ for his decisiveness but he is unduly error prone. Last week's fiasco about the right of an MP to appeal a verdict of the Standards Committee - BJ is clearly right but as observed, his timing suggested partisan support for his Pal who had just been reprimanded.

IMO being an MP is a full-time job and most have some experience in the outside World before they are elected. Of course, a 2nd job that enriches an MP's insight into current matters, (as one MP who works p/t in the NHS), that's fine, but to be representing commercial interests is quite wrong, as it is to earn vast sums working remotely as an MP.

Outside interests should be allowed but surely NOT for lobbying interests, AT ALL.

Sir Geoffrey Cox - I admired him very much when he was AG and enjoyed watching him in Parliament. How odd that he can think that working long hours and earning vast sums, enriching only himself, is an acceptable pursuit for an elected MP just amazes me. Such a clever Guy and he can't see the obvious.

Bully for him - go for it Geoffrey but let your Constituents be represented by someone else.

I guess he was more than upset by being pushed out by BJ after the election, but now - time to go  ::)
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: jungle on November 11, 2021, 05:16:07 PM
It does make me laugh when expats express shock at the corruption here and around the rest of the non western world
  But a closer look at some western governments shows just slightly
 different methods of self enrichment of government officials
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on November 12, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
That's a good point - there is plenty of corruption in 'Western' Nations - is it fair to say there always has been ? I wonder if the corruption in the 'West' is high level stuff rather than a widespread corruption at all levels ?
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: jungle on November 12, 2021, 05:41:35 PM
Rogers I wouldn't know to much about the past (50 years + )
But present day sure
There's the vermin like the current MPs shameless rouges and stupid or just over cocky
Not to mention benefit rip offs of the past.
Any one punished...  Try that with a private company..
Briton used to rule most of the globe
Now they have amongst the  lowest pensions and wages in Europe what happened?
What always amazes me is to look at powerful people giving more than 50 quid to a party or politician . lots of Russians etc in London they want something of course
Be hard to get true representation with big money  buying influence
Taxes, Gov says yes we will clean it up
UK still controls many offshore tax havens 😂😂😂

Then again do we all want a demigod? 😁
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Coolkorat on November 17, 2021, 02:15:12 PM
Stanley Johnson is in trouble: I wonder if there is pressure building for a 'coup' against BJ. He seems to lurch from one gaff to the next whilst Keir Starmer is becoming more assured and confident.
Title: Re: The Boris Johnson thread
Post by: Roger on November 26, 2021, 05:28:52 AM
Flights from RSA and adjoining Nations have been cancelled from today. And hooray for that ! It seems BJ thinks we haven't got so much virus in the UK that a bit more doesn't matter ? (this time)    ;)   Excellent - I wonder if flights would have been cancelled IF the variant had emerged in New York instead ?

That's the ticket Boris - next - masks back on in shops and public transport - or is this an isolated case of a breakout of Govt. common sense ?

Very unlikely that the 'Covidity' '40' included a Patient with this variant but let's hope Covidity works against it - that's what's written on the package isn't it ?

Whilst this UK action has probably been as prompt as possible this time, thousands of PAX from RSA etc. will have arrived in the last few weeks, many of them mixing freely and maybe whooping it up at football matches and even night clubs. Will this pandemic EVER end ? YES it will IMO. But maybe not soon.